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[Baffler]

Don't most farmers already purchase seed every year?

And I can't imagine any health consequences for humans from eating genetically modified crops, simply by virtue of their being genetically modified. It's like claiming that you shouldn't eat pork that came from Red Wattle pigs because the breed is fairly new and hasn't been scientifically proven to be safe for consumption.

[Sergarr]

"We have to be careful about this and consider the consequences" is a bit different than "durr evulz".

As far as I know, the biggest danger involved in GM crops is that they all have the same genetical structure, which means that they can be all suddenly wiped out by a single parasitical organism or a disease, a la what happened to this variation of banana.

[Loud Whispers]

Don't most farmers already purchase seed every year?

In the case of things like potato, they just buy more potato since it's cheaper and more efficient than growing from seed. As for the topic of purchasing seed, depends. Due to propriety rights some farmers are not allowed to store or use seeds that have come off of plants they've just grown. Landraces (farmer bred seed) are still sown by a significant number of farmers across the world but they're understandably under a bit of pressure to adopt high yield crops which they will inevitably not be allowed to replant.

And I can't imagine any health consequences for humans from eating genetically modified crops, simply by virtue of their being genetically modified. It's like claiming that you shouldn't eat pork that came from Red Wattle pigs because the breed is fairly new and hasn't been scientifically proven to be safe for consumption.

It's like, but not exactly alike - conventional selective breeding still takes place and is tried and tested whilst messing with DNA is very fresh ground. There's room to make mistakes with our goat spiders and the like

[SirQuiamus]

Goat spiders were an abject failure, that's for sure. Just secreting the silk protein from your goat titties is not enough, you gotta have them spinnerets, baby.

[Loud Whispers]

0/10 goat spider doesn't even catch flies

[MarcAFK]

This thread should be titled : Loud whispers Euro troll shitposting thread

[Sheb]

The thing is that seeds that you cannot replant make sense. Hybrid vigor is a thing, and by definition you cannot get it from seeds you replant.

TBH, I never really understand the argument against having to buy new seeds every years. It's not like a farmer can re-use fertilizer, or pesticide, or tractor fuel or any of the other inputs used on a modern farm.

[mainiac]

I'm pretty sure all organic fertilizer is being reused.

(Pretty good shitpost, amirite?)

[Helgoland]

TBH, I never really understand the argument against having to buy new seeds every years. It's not like a farmer can re-use fertilizer, or pesticide, or tractor fuel or any of the other inputs used on a modern farm.

And interestingly no-one ever gave a shit about non-replantable seeds until they became useful to construct an argument against GM plants...

[Sheb]

Dude, I probably would have a scathing reply if I wasn't that drunk.

[Helgoland]

Huh? You must've misread, I'm with you on this one...

[Sheb]

I was trying to answer mainiac.

[Jopax]

And I can't really get the argument for it. Just because a lot of this stuff is single use, let's make this completely naturally reusable thing be single use too, because PROFITS!!
I know, let's charge the air and water each field uses each year too, because why not make that stuff single use too :V

Disclaimer, might be a drunken shitpost, not sure, too drunk to tell :V

[Frumple]

... they, uh. Do usually charge for a great deal of the water, jop. Most modern farms are hella' more water intensive than what the plot of land can naturally sustain.* Air, not so much. Usually. Some enclosed/exotic stuff, usually way outside their normal growing environment, does have a pricetag on the atmosphere maintenance.

*I mean, I guess you could argue that they're charging for transportation more than the water itself, but it roughly boils (aheh) down to the same thing.

[scriver]

TBH, I never really understand the argument against having to buy new seeds every years. It's not like a farmer can re-use fertilizer, or pesticide, or tractor fuel or any of the other inputs used on a modern farm.

Those aren't like seeds. They don't make more of themselves. Seeds do.

TBH, I never really understand the argument against having to buy new seeds every years. It's not like a farmer can re-use fertilizer, or pesticide, or tractor fuel or any of the other inputs used on a modern farm.

And interestingly no-one ever gave a shit about non-replantable seeds until they became useful to construct an argument against GM plants...

Or, you know, people have just become more aware of the circumstances because of gm crops. But I guess that won't make you feel as superior to others, so it's probably just people pretending to care for the sake of arguing against gm food.

Edit@Frumple: I'm fairly sure he means rain, not pipe water.