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[flight]

OK, all my nobles are annoyed because my mason went legendary very early and all the peons have masterwork doors and furniture, making even the cheapest quarters "modest". Do I need to downgrade all my weenies in order to make my nobles happy?

[Slanted]

It's because the value of some non-noble's room is higher than theirs. Just dump some statues or other fancy crap in their rooms. I don't even think it affects anything beyond nobles being ever more annoying.

[puke]

or if a non-noble has a more fancy room than they should.

[flight]

Right, so as I said I need to downgrade all of my regular dwarf quarters to meager. Unfortunately a masterwork door and bed already make it better than that meaning I need to take the long process of having only inexperienced dwarves make replacement doors and beds, right? I don't think I can just make the nobles' rooms better because new nobles will come who want better rooms than that, etc etc until I can't fulfill someone's request.

[Ravendas]

I find that unless you screw something up really bad, nobles will always be ecstatic, even with that negative. The fact that they have awesome quarters, dining room, office, and random statues and things that they like generally offsets just about any negative.

Don't worry about it too much really.

[BurnedToast]

introduce the whingers to new quarters with indoor plumbing. That should shut them up.

[flight]

The nobles are generally ecstatic, but I take it as a challenge to purge the bad thoughts. Would this problem be helped if I wasn't assigning sleeping quarters, and just let my dwarves choose?

If I wanted to keep anyone from having a bad thought about this would I need to give everyone exactly the quality sleeping arrangements they require?

My broker requires meager quarters, this being the lowest. Does this mean he will have a bad thought about all the other nobodies who are also sleeping in meager quarters?

Do barracks count against this? Just the fact that the room is sizeable and has several beds elevates it in level a bit.

lastly, even my high level nobles are annoyed about pretentious sleeping arrangements, yet they have the best quarters in the place barring one of my Legendary dwarves (who are not supposed to count towards this). Are they just annoyed for the lower nobles who are sleeping on equal terms with their lessers?

Thanks.

[puke]

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>Would this problem be helped if I wasn't assigning sleeping quarters, and just let my dwarves choose?.</STRONG>

no.

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>If I wanted to keep anyone from having a bad thought about this would I need to give everyone exactly the quality sleeping arrangements they require?.</STRONG>

i think you can still overbuild the nobles.  not sure.

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>My broker requires meager quarters, this being the lowest. Does this mean he will have a bad thought about all the other nobodies who are also sleeping in meager quarters?.</STRONG>

no, i dont think so.

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>Do barracks count against this? Just the fact that the room is sizeable and has several beds elevates it in level a bit..</STRONG>

i had everyone sleeping in legendary barracks, and never had the nobles complain about pretentious sleeping arangements.

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>lastly, even my high level nobles are annoyed about pretentious sleeping arrangements, yet they have the best quarters in the place barring one of my Legendary dwarves (who are not supposed to count towards this). Are they just annoyed for the lower nobles who are sleeping on equal terms with their lessers?</STRONG>

huh.  maybe i was wrong, above.  or maybe theyre complaining about commoners with overfancy rooms.

[Jusal]

quote:Originally posted by flight:
<STRONG>The nobles are generally ecstatic, but I take it as a challenge to purge the bad thoughts.</STRONG>

Try magma!

[ktrey]

I think by viewing the "Nobles" screen and the individual Nobles arrangements you can determine who's being "pretentious." Nobles with accommodations higher than their peers will have those appear in light blue/cyan above their rooms.

At least, that's what I think that's for. I can't seem to find a reference to it on the wiki.

[flight]

I think the cyan is for when you provide them with something they do not require at all, like a tomb for a broker, not better than what they require.

[Silveron]

I always read it as white was a satisfied requirement, and cyan was above and beyond.

[flight]

Well, when I provide Decent Quarters for someone who only requires Meager Quarters, it comes up as white. When I then provide them with a grave, which they do not require, it comes up as cyan.

[RPB]

I've got some non-nobles in modest quarters and the nobles don't seem to mind. I think it's because I give all the masterworks to nobles and use non-masterwork furniture in all my standard housing.

[flight]

Yeah, I think it is only a problem when the lower class has better accommodations than the upper classes. The problem is that I think when you have every noble you will be have each level of room quality requested, so I don't think you can inflate everyone.

But it does lead to the questions, if noble A needs a better room than noble B, will noble A be happy with a slightly better room that falls into the same label?

Say they each had a modest room of exactly the same value, and then I give noble A another weapon rack. His grade stays the same, but will he be satisfied that he has a better room than noble B?