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Author Topic: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)  (Read 12028 times)

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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2015, 10:35:26 am »

hey, at least everything on the onion is a parody, you cant say that about /pol/.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2015, 10:44:57 am »

Even if this conspiracy theory were true, who would honestly care that a kid got free stuff he shouldn't have?
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2015, 10:45:06 am »

I like how police was called just because some teacher saw SOMETHING after said something made an alarm-clock beeping noise. Because the teacher thought it was a treat, hey, better safe than sorry! And then a teenager was being passive-aggresive! Call the press! We have a fookin juvenile rebel here!

Yes, America is paranoid, yes, press this day like since the beginning of it's time would pick up the currently hottest bum in the oven and yes social media will blow out something out of proportions if given the chance. TL;DR moving on.

Oh and hey Rex Invictus, given this didn't happen for the first time maybe you should start asking if you need to work on your approach when the people are not immediately interested in your hot topics. Not to mention posting in few hours later after you see no one is interested makes you look silly.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2015, 10:47:19 am »

Weren't you the guys that made that thread about some feminist stuff and ended up looking like an asshole?
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2015, 10:47:28 am »

...who would honestly care that a kid got free stuff he shouldn't have?
Someone jealous.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2015, 11:04:09 am »

Someone's gettin' jelly! :V

Seriously, Rex: If you don't care about the consequences you should absolutely run a social media scam yourself! Seems like you've already got the plan worked out, but you don't even have to implement steps 1 and 3. All you really need to do is:

1) Convert to Islam.

2) Join ISIS.

3) Start tweeting furiously.


This plan will instantly gain you the sympathies of each and every Progressive and Cultural Marxist in the entire world, and you'll literally drown in tons of free loot and nubile Jihad Brides.

Try it!

I don't think I'm quite brown or young enough. My Dad's probably brown enough, but he's definitely not young enough to do it.

Neat, a conspiracy theory reposted from /pol/ as truth. Do we get one from the onion next, OP?

Where's the conspiracy, kiddo? Posting factual statements isn't a conspiracy, is it?

Ah, but wait, anything that disagrees with the bullshit being pushed by the media is conspiracy theories!
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2015, 11:12:45 am »

... you linked breitbart as a source, mate. You don't get to say anything about bullshit being pushed by the media. Thanks for the concern, but you kinda' undermined your entire sorta'-point about not getting taken in by media shills with that one :-\
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2015, 11:14:15 am »

Ah, but wait, anything that disagrees with the bullshit being pushed by the media is conspiracy theories!
And anything that disagrees with the conspiracy theory is bullshit being posted by the media
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2015, 11:20:21 am »

Oh and hey Rex Invictus, given this didn't happen for the first time maybe you should start asking if you need to work on your approach when the people are not immediately interested in your hot topics. Not to mention posting in few hours later after you see no one is interested makes you look silly.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2015, 11:21:13 am »

... you linked breitbart as a source, mate. You don't get to say anything about bullshit being pushed by the media. Thanks for the concern, but you kinda' undermined your entire sorta'-point about not getting taken in by media shills with that one :-\

Breitbart's really not all that bad. Awareness of spin is very important considering all the media lies to you. I'd rate Breitbart a 6/10, especially considering they're so obvious about it.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2015, 11:25:11 am »

School shooting: "Oh, if only somebody had seen the signs, and prevented all of this! Woe, woe!"

Kid arrested for bringing a suspicious, beeping object into school, and released once they determine it's not a bomb: "America is so paranoid, they're only doing this because he's a Muslim!"

...so what signs are they supposed to look for, exactly?
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2015, 11:38:57 am »

A normal student brings a clock to school. When the teacher "thinks it's a bomb" they don't actually evacuate the school, which is what they would do if they thought it was a bomb threat. The police take him away for interrogation even though they know it's not a bomb, and even though he's not being suspicious about what it is.

There is a difference between vigilance, and discrimination. If he had been white they wouldn't have asked him repeatedly whether or not it was a clock. They wouldn't have dragged him to the police station in handcuffs.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2015, 11:42:56 am »

School shooting: "Oh, if only somebody had seen the signs, and prevented all of this! Woe, woe!"

Kid arrested for bringing a suspicious, beeping object into school, and released once they determine it's not a bomb: "America is so paranoid, they're only doing this because he's a Muslim!"

...so what signs are they supposed to look for, exactly?

You're not supposed to look for signs, you're just meant to let it happen so people can complain about toxic masculinity in our society.

A normal student brings a clock to school. When the teacher "thinks it's a bomb" they don't actually evacuate the school, which is what they would do if they thought it was a bomb threat. The police take him away for interrogation even though they know it's not a bomb, and even though he's not being suspicious about what it is.

There is a difference between vigilance, and discrimination. If he had been white they wouldn't have asked him repeatedly whether or not it was a clock. They wouldn't have dragged him to the police station in handcuffs.

Did you actually read the first post or just reply randomly? No, they did not think it was a bomb, they had reasonable suspicion he was using it for the purposes of intimidation.

It doesn't matter if it's a clock if they have the right to think that he might be pretending it's a bomb. Let me just quote the first post in this thread:

2. Ahmed Was Arrested for Building a Bomb
Is this: True or false?

If you guessed: True. You're wrong!
If you guessed: False: You're correct!

Ahmed was arrested under suspicion of "creating a hoax explosive or incendiary device for the purpose of intimidation" which is a crime under Texan law. The ONLY reason he was arrested for it was because when questioned by police on why he'd brought it in to school his sole passive aggressive response was: "It's a clock." He refused to tell them why, exactly, he'd brought it to school or anything else.

So they arrested him. They took him out of school and once they determined he wasn't doing anything wrong with it... They released him! What a shock. Truly this is the worst thing that has happened to any human ever.

One of the things I've seen going around is the fact that they didn't evacuate the school. This is true. They did what's known as a "soft lockdown" which is where they request all teachers to stop students leaving classrooms whilst they escorted Ahmed out. Probably for as much his safety as anything else.

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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2015, 11:52:37 am »

Your perspective of the situation is at least as bullshit as the media's. Let's examine, since we're all interested in truth facts here.
1. Ahmed Built a Clock
Just to get this out of the way: He built nothing. The clock is a commercially available clock from the 1980s that has been moved into a new casing (a pencil case shaped like a briefcase). In computer terms, this would be moving something into another folder and claiming I created something new.

The end result was this:
That's a bit less than fair. Dude is a 14-year old trying to do something creative, not publish a product. Transferring a casing like that would take knowledge of what you're transferring, as well as re-soldering anything disconnected when you disassembled it and adhering it to the new case, which I see screws in. No great feat, but more technical than I was at 14. That's plenty legit for a personal project. Or in computer terms, it's like replacing one texture with another texture and claiming it's a mod.
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Well, that sure doesn't look anything like what a 14-year-old would imagine a bomb looks like! It doesn't look anything like a movie prop of a bomb or anything. I'm sure no one would be worried if something that looked like that was ticking.
Considering it's the size of a pencil case and obviously isn't a bomb, yeah, it doesn't. Even Hollywood knows that bombs have, you know, explosives in them. If that looks like a bomb then every laptop in the world looks way more like a bomb with the case ripped off. I mean, come on, ticking? Who the fuck is he, Snidely Whiplash?
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2. Ahmed Was Arrested for Building a Bomb
Is this: True or false?

If you guessed: True. You're wrong!
If you guessed: False: You're correct!

Ahmed was arrested under suspicion of "creating a hoax explosive or incendiary device for the purpose of intimidation" which is a crime under Texan law. The ONLY reason he was arrested for it was because when questioned by police on why he'd brought it in to school his sole passive aggressive response was: "It's a clock." He refused to tell them why, exactly, he'd brought it to school or anything else.
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." Kid was smarter than most not to go spilling information to a bunch of cops. That's the only justification anyone needs to provide minimized information.
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So they arrested him. They took him out of school and once they determined he wasn't doing anything wrong with it... They released him! What a shock. Truly this is the worst thing that has happened to any human ever.
They also violated his civil rights by not allowing his parents to see him, which is required for minors. Their "determination" that he didn't do anything wrong is the same as every other time cops "determine" a situation has passed, that being they're bored or don't think they're getting an arrest out of this one. Probably in part because he didn't talk to them. If he had, they could have and would have "determined" reasonable suspicion that he was trying to pretend to be a suicide bomber, and he'd be rotting in a cell somewhere right now.
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3. Ahmed's Just An Average Muslim Kid Who Didn't Know What He Was Doing
Ahmed's just like any other student who has an interest in engineering. He's just your average joe blogs on the street, there's nothing that makes him stand out.

Did you see that? That's what's called not checking your facts.

Ahmed's father is a real media star. He routinely heads back to Sudan to run for president in the elections and he's participated in mock trials of people who've burned the Quran.

On top of that, Ahmed's sister was the one who "leaked" the photo. To Anil Dash, a person renowned for trying to get as much media attention on himself as humanly possible because he's an "entrepreneur".
Did you see that? That's what's called a lie of irrelevant inclusions. You expecting me just to connect the dots by association here, comrade? His father is an activist against Sudan's genocidal dictatorship and his sister knows how to network. I'd try to stir up shit if my family was in trouble too.
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This entire thing has been a media set up from the start. A Muslim student brings in a ticking briefcase with a bunch of wiring in it to school and no one expects anything to go wrong?
Pencil case, and yeah. For this to be a setup requires either that a bunch of paranoid teachers or cops to be in on it, or for Ahmed and co. to literally be Batman in knowing things that will happen.
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Keeping in mind that Steve Wozniak was once arrested for building something very, very similar and no one made a media fuss out of that and you start to see the extent of things.
You mean the thing there is now a media fuss about, because it's an interesting parallel once there are two and one of them is a wealthy inventor and the other aspires to be a wealthy inventor?
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So, to summarise, if you want free things all you need to do is:
1. Build something very similar to a bomb
2. Be a Muslim
3. Have a family with media connections
4. Cry about how unfairly you're treated even after you're released quite fairly
"Quite fairly", and again, this ascribes an omnipotent level of plotting ability.

But hey, you don't want discourse on this, do you? You want somebody to screech at you about being a racist cis-scum murderer, so I'd just go post this on tumblr with some radical anti-blackness tags and wait approximately twenty minutes, go cook some wings or something. I wish you good fortune with the b8, m8.
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Re: #IStandWithAhmed (Or: How to manipulate public opinion to get free stuff)
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2015, 11:54:28 am »

School shooting: "Oh, if only somebody had seen the signs, and prevented all of this! Woe, woe!"

Kid arrested for bringing a suspicious, beeping object into school, and released once they determine it's not a bomb: "America is so paranoid, they're only doing this because he's a Muslim!"

...so what signs are they supposed to look for, exactly?

I imagine if you're looking to prevent school shootings, you don't look for bombs- guns aren't 'suspicious beeping objects' in the way that clocks are.
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