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Goatmaan

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my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« on: August 27, 2015, 04:12:46 am »

Ok so I'm running a huge fort of about 500 adults( trying to get 1000!)
my duchess is my only stressed dwarf!! And apparently. She wont talk to the elven diplomat because of her stress. I need my tree quota!!

If I make hempseed oil, will she drink it?

How do I stop getting hemp flour!! (Somehow have 100's)
I am making "a lot" of dimple dye and almost every clothing item!!
Thank Armok for workflow!!  ;)

She also likes cotton cloth. I made her loom and clothiers shop out of her favorite wood, guess who's making her own clothes till her dream of creating a masterwork is realized? ! Oh and pressing that oil she likes.

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 07:12:15 am »

The obvious answer to how to avoid making hemp flour is to stop milling hemp ;)
The HOW answer is probably to link your mill to stockpiles that provide you with bags and with the plants/seeds (I'm not sure if only seeds are millable, as I don't bother with milling myself) you DO want to mill, i.e. include Dimple Cup and whatever else you want, but exclude hemp.
I'd probably remove the duchess from refuse removal as well, to reduce the risk of her seeing sentient parts (and move those parts from the regular pile to avoid others from getting stressed too, if the parts are there, and send said parts to somewhere "safe" [down a hole, into magma,... I use a hole, since I like the concept of elf/human/goblin bone armor]).
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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 08:28:02 am »

To make hemp oil, you need to mill the hemp seeds to paste, then press the paste in a screw press. You have to provide a "liquid container" (an empty jug made from any material other than unglazed earthenware) for the pressing, which receives the oil.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Oil
PS - upon re-reading, i suspect you're already making proper oil, your dwarfs just insist on milling hemp plants instead of dimple cups. For that, see above - link stockpiles or at least store hemp plants well away from the mill.

Plant oils are a "liquid food", not a drink. They must be cooked into prepared meals at the kitchen, that's the only way to get a dwarf to consume them. You can also make oil soap from oils, but that doesn't count for preferred material thoughts, because soap is not eaten.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2015, 08:35:16 am by Larix »
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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 08:47:34 am »

There's a bug with cooking.  Dwarves tend to not use liquid ingredients, like sweet pod syrup, without workarounds.  I'd suspect this would extend to hemp oil.  There's also the problem that hemp oil is time consuming to make in bulk.

You'd probably be better off finding some other way to lower her stress level.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2015, 09:52:22 am by Bouchart »
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Goatmaan

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2015, 02:12:42 pm »

Thanks for the replies, I knew this wouldn't be easy!
One problem remains. Once I get the seeds,mill to paste,press to oil, cook to roast .....there is no way to isolate those prepared.hempseed oil roasts, my food stockpiles are *large*, so she'll have to scrounge around for them like a commoner. Oh wait, she's used to it, she was a peasant! !!

 Thanks again

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2015, 02:36:01 pm »

1 more, her main bad thoughts are...she couldn't find somone in charge to yell at! Apparently she can't yell at herself? (I do it a lot playing df ;) ) mayor has no jobs/labors.

No punishment of criminals...
I've never messed with a hammerer, and a loyalty cascade at this point would be hilariously gruesome!!!
35/15 ++5 miners/woodcutters masterwork steel picks/axes.
1 squad of each weapon type masterwork steel everything +5s all round...oh and 27 very good hunters :)

Anyhow, do I have to manually convict someone, say 1 of my 3 vamps?
Or if I make a hammerer, will he go all chuck Norris on everyone once I give him that artifact platinum hammer?!?!

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2015, 03:04:02 pm »

You can convict people at the Z-Justice screen.  You can convict the actual criminal or just someone you don't like.  Convicting something like a dog or someone already dead tends to make everyone very angry.

Most punishments are in the form of beatings and imprisonment in a cage or restraint.  You can see the type of punishment at the Z-Justice screen.  Hammerings are usually given for very serious crimes like murder and are typically fatal if the suspect is unarmored.  If you don't have a hammerer a hammering will be reduced to a beating (which can still be fatal).
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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2015, 04:38:19 pm »

You can get your mayor to find someone to yell at by manually replacing her (I do that to get someone that's probably not going to issue mandates).
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Goatmaan

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2015, 06:05:12 pm »

To bad its the duchess who's all pissy.
Figures out of almost 500 dwarfs, the ONE that can screw this fort does!!
I saw 1 in yellow and thought...well its 1 dwarf, I don't care, ill check WHO if they go red...even then its just 1 right? Ill b ok!
Now paving my forested embark is on hold, AND if she flips out verybad things will happen! Was planing on a war with the hippies anyway.
ill lock her in with food and drink and see how it goes.

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2015, 08:28:09 pm »

getting your dwarves to add liquid ingredient to foods  can e extremely annoying and I don't know a way to do it at all without micromanagement. Probably you should do some manual forbidding/stockpile linking to make them roast something like 3x40draltha meat + 1 jug of hemp oil for her, and then stockpile that in her private dining room and hope for the best.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2015, 09:16:10 pm »

getting your dwarves to add liquid ingredient to foods  can e extremely annoying and I don't know a way to do it at all without micromanagement.

Linked stockpiles.

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2015, 03:45:48 pm »

Ok, here's an update, and some questions at the end.
I built a quern in her room and a screwpress, the proper stockpiles. I Finally got some hempseed oil!!! Yay success!!!! Z stocksmenu zoom to....finished goods stockpile!!?? ANDthe jugs are in bins! That stockpile doesn't even accept food! Friggin great.
Made a loom, clothiershop out of her favorite wood, she doesn't care. Cotton thread,cloth only stockpiles.empty. ALL other stockpiles don't accept any cotton thread/cloth. Yet someones making it!!
I took a risk, made a captain of the guard. 60 dwarfs got beat! Even the CMD got his hand smashed.( I missed that line"have restraints ready BEFORE appointing a Captian of the giard" :)
She's still mad, 1 escaped justice 1 of my 3 vamps.

Ok now the questions

How do I get the jugs with hempseed oil out of the pile they're in? I have disabled "other large. tools" and enabled that beside her kithen. No go.

Kinda same about cotton thread/cloth. No pile in the fort accepts it, but hers. Still empty.

If I convict "vamp3" of 3 or 4 murders( no witnesses) without a hammerer, will he get beat OR jail? I have to open his door, he's hungry, will he go feed before being taken to jail?
Can he escape if jailed/ chained?

What stress level is tantrum time?
Therapist is showing 208.7 thousand. Shes "on friendly terms" with over half the fort!! (Adult pop. Now 506!!) So things could get nasty quick with 96 kids 16 babes.

Thanks for any help out of this.

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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2015, 04:25:42 pm »

I believe they tantrum when they hit the "haggard" level.  View the unit to see if it is haggard or stressed.

It takes a long time to build up stress and a long time to remove it, so it'll be a while.  Make sure she has high quality rooms and all necessary furniture.  Keep her away from dead bodies.  You might want to recruit her into a squad and have her train to build up her discipline, but keep her out of combat.  Meet all mandates on time.  Keep her out of the sun and make sure she's fully clothed and not wearing decaying clothes.
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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 05:32:55 pm »

I'd assume the cotton thread/cloth is still in the corresponding workshop, either because no one hauls it into the correct stockpile, or because that stockpile is set to "accept from links only", with no link to the appropriate workshop. Of course, if the stockpile is in a locked room, haulers can't path to it.
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Re: my duchess prefers to consume hemp oil, will she?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2015, 11:57:24 am »

Another quick update.

After *very* close examination of my 6*6 map (oh the pain) I can grow cotton!
New 5*5 plots (8) are being biult, and since I've got about 10k pigtail/ hemp cloth those feilds will lie fallow, and ill just produce cotton. ;)

The hempseed oil problem isn't solved, will try removing the *large* finished goods stockpile the bins holding the jugs are in, I can't think of another way to get em moved.

I convicted vamp3 of 2 old murders, stationed the axe squad near his room, unlocked his door and before he made it 20 steps, the hammerer hauled him to jail :)
50 hammerings(not done cuz of a cell) 250 jail days. Cell door locked. Problem solved.

Duchess is better, but bad thoughts are only no one to yell at/cry on.
a hidden bonus of her unhappiness?
I now have NO AGREEMENT WITH THE ELVES!!!! As long as she doesn't meet with them ;)
Finally those Armok cursed trees will fall like rain!!! The paving of my 6*6 forested embark will recommence!! (Insert happy dance here)

Hidden bad news...she wont meet with ANYONE dwarfs too.
Leather stocks ZERO.
All animals slaughtered years ago, planning on rotating leather/yarn with mountainhome. OOPS.
Time to redo workflow settings, military will do without cloaks/hoods for a bit.

 Thanks to all who tried to help.

The 1000 dwarf quest struggles on.....at 7 fps.
(507 adults, 97 kids, 17 babes)

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