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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #165 on: September 20, 2015, 04:55:16 am »

25 ants become builders
Foragers, Nurses and remaining ants Forage
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #166 on: September 20, 2015, 11:28:24 pm »

60 foragers forage.

The rest of my foragers (and the normal ants) dig a food storage room!
you can't split your foragers like that.
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I guess my foragers build the room and the normal ants forage.

Is that the only way?
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2015, 07:58:24 am »

60 foragers forage.

The rest of my foragers (and the normal ants) dig a food storage room!
you can't split your foragers like that.
AWW...

I guess my foragers build the room and the normal ants forage.

Is that the only way?
if you want that food storage this turn, it looks like the only way. sorry. But, this is the last round for +75% food gain by foraging, so you might want to take advantage of that, by foraging with foragers and breeding with ants, or some other activity, like evolving. either will eat up excess food gathered this turn. breeding will give you a total of 34-35 normal ants for next round. upgrading to diggers would give you 23 diggers. though you could also upgrade two foragers to be diggers as well, and then I think those two could help the 23 regular diggers to dig a room each round.

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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2015, 08:40:33 am »

upgrading to diggers would give you 23 diggers. though you could also upgrade two foragers to be diggers as well, and then I think those two could help the 23 regular diggers to dig a room each round.
I'll do that. I'll also command the rest of my foragers to forage, if I can.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2015, 09:46:53 am »

that would be allowed. The order would be: ants become diggers. 2 foragers become diggers. Rest of the foragers forage.

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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2015, 09:51:10 am »

You might have to upgrade your queen for that, unless you can replace evolutions.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2015, 07:27:47 pm »

You might have to upgrade your queen for that, unless you can replace evolutions.
No, we'll just kill the queen, have all our ants be foragers/diggers, and declare ourselves a communist anthill. They'll work according to their ability, receive according to their needs, and live in the classless utopia they deserve!
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2015, 07:33:32 pm »

And die off in about 3 turns due to any lifespan.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #173 on: September 22, 2015, 07:55:45 am »

You might have to upgrade your queen for that, unless you can replace evolutions.
You can only go up 1 Queen level per turn however you can put as many evolutions as you can pay for on your ant.

I don't think you need to upgrade your queen for this. Both forager and digger are level 1 evolutions. Total evolution level will be 2, but that is not limited by queen level. Queen level only affects which evolutions are available. Now, if he were to attempt to upgrade to forager 2 ...

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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #174 on: September 22, 2015, 08:06:06 am »

But if I understand it right, a forager 1 count as three ants for foraging purpose, but two ants for food consumption purpose. Forager 2 count as fours ants for foraging purpose, but three for food consumption: the only advantage of going over forager 1 is to save some ants space.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #175 on: September 22, 2015, 08:09:51 am »

All foragers, ants and diggers forage
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #176 on: September 22, 2015, 08:39:40 am »

But if I understand it right, a forager 1 count as three ants for foraging purpose, but two ants for food consumption purpose. Forager 2 count as fours ants for foraging purpose, but three for food consumption: the only advantage of going over forager 1 is to save some ants space.
there is actually a slight gain in net food income each level per ant. However, in the first year after an evolution, that gain is offset by the evolution cost itself. The following year, though, makes up for that. Now, that said, I have not factored in the cost of not using that turn to gather food, either, so the first year could have a net loss for an evolution, if one evolves his foragers anytime but winter.


ant food level   eat yearly   forage yearly   net gainminus evolve cost, 1st year
basic   1212.750.750.75
forager 124 3638.25   14.25 2.25   13.25 1.25
f236 4851   15 3   13 1
f348 6063.75   15.75 3.75      12.75 0.75
f460 7276.5   16.5 4.5   12.5 0.5


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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #177 on: September 22, 2015, 08:56:27 am »

How do you forage 12,75 food yearly? Since on average 50 percent of ants will gather an extra food, the gain for a normal ants should be 18 food per year, and twice that (36) for a forager.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #178 on: September 22, 2015, 09:43:47 am »

How do you forage 12,75 food yearly? Since on average 50 percent of ants will gather an extra food, the gain for a normal ants should be 18 food per year, and twice that (36) for a forager.
for simplicity's sake, I did not include the bonus food, and these numbers are per individual ant, based on the 50% and 75% bonuses for spring and summer foraging. So 100 basic ants will forage 1275 food (pus bonus food) and eat 1200 food per year, providing they forage every turn during spring, summer, and fall.

Also, I just noticed an error: foragers 1 should only eat 24 yearly, which means the net gain should be higher for foragers. lemme fix that.
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Re: Ant Colony Version 2 (9/10) 1-2 replacements wanted
« Reply #179 on: September 22, 2015, 10:15:15 am »

So yeah, breeding more ants to be foragers 1 is a more efficient technique than evolving to the higher foragers limit.

The one exception is if you have one fertile tile: you can only have one hundred ants on it, so getting foragers will let you make optimal use of it.
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