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9 (27.3%)

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10 (30.3%)

Start from scratch for YG-lite

4 (12.1%)

Start from scratch for YG-lite

3 (9.1%)

Do both

5 (15.2%)

Do both

2 (6.1%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[Kilojoule Proton]

Spoiler: Survey results now (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price
   + IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   - Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   Explain! TheBiggerFish
   (bonus for making it public) hector13
   (restrict to retribution)
      + FArgHalfnr, Kevak
   (restrict number of times applicable) @@@ search for supporter after previous line
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low
   + IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13
   0 Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, Andres, FArgHalfnr
   ~- Kevak
   - DreamerGhost
   (mostly through slower cap increases) hector13
   (using <Essence> exercises its cap) Kevak
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost
   ~+ Kevak
   0 TheBiggerFish, micelus, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek
   - Stirk, Andres, hector13
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk
   - TheBiggerFish, micelus, Rolepgeek, hector13
   (autonomous NPC holy wars/NPCs hit as collateral damage)
      + micelus, Kevak
      ~+ Andres?, DreamerGhost?
   (followers become less pious if god refuses to help in war)
      + DreamerGhost, FArgHalfnr
      ~+ Andres?
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + Andres, IcyTea31, Kevak
   0 micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   ~- TheBiggerFish, hector13
   - Stirk
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes")
   > Andres
   25%> IcyTea31, Rolepgeek
   = DreamerGhost, hector13
   0 Stirk, FArgHalfnr
   yes micelus?
   (varies by sensicality) Kevak
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts
   + Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   0 micelus?
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses
   + TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, micelus, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   0 DreamerGhost
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties
   + micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Kevak
   (penalties for opposites only)
      + Andres, Rolepgeek, hector13
9.0. Expand the equipment system
   + micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, FArgHalfnr, Kevak
   0 hector13
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk, TheBiggerFish
   (limit number of wearable artifacts)
      + IcyTea31
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods
   + micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   ~+ FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
   (but make detection easier) hector13
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals
   + Stirk, micelus, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, Kevak
   0 FArgHalfnr, hector13
   - TheBiggerFish, Andres
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals
   0 FArgHalfnr, hector13
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, Kevak
9.4. Require visibility to kill (gods)
   + Andres, IcyTea31, hector 13
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost
   Explain! Rolepgeek, Kevak
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations (permission supersedes this, naturally)
   (Essence-costing change) Stirk, TheBiggerFish, hector13
   (Rewrites description) TheBiggerFish, DreamerGhost, micelus?, Rolepgeek
   (Changes function of a group (e.g. by high ranked mortals)) FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   (Alters more than a token minority/very few high-ranked) FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, Kevak
   (Vetoing/Blocking/Hindering creations) Andres
   (To each player their own) IcyTea31
   (Changes their names) micelus
27.0. Make costs transparent
   + TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   0 Stirk
   - DreamerGhost
27.1. Less puzzles
   + Andres
   ~+ IcyTea31
   0 TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   (mostly player and not GM puzzles) @@@ go back and see who posted this
27.2. More world interaction
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   ~+ TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   0 DreamerGhost
27.3. Disband the Council entirely
   + micelus, FArgHalfnr, Kevak
   ~+ TheBiggerFish
   0 Stirk, DreamerGhost, hector13
   - Andres, IcyTea31
   ? Rolepgeek
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here
   (pantheons evolve naturally (=on their own?))
      + micelus, Kevak
   (pantheons as mini-Councils)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (pantheons are autonomous)
      + IcyTea31, hector13
   (pantheons should be kept the same)
      + Andres, Rolepgeek
   (pantheons as player-forged alliances with GM as witness)
      + DreamerGhost, Kevak
   Explain! Andres
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation
   (small nondisruptive bonus)
      + Stirk, micelus, FArgHalfnr, Rolepgeek, hector13
      - Andres, DreamerGhost, Kevak
   (small, temporary piety bonus)
      + FArgHalfnr
      - Andres, DreamerGhost, Kevak
   (small income boost for a few Ticks)
      + IcyTea31
      - Andres, DreamerGhost, Kevak
   (equal playing field)
      + TheBiggerFish
      - Andres, DreamerGhost, Kevak
   (none)
      + Andres, DreamerGhost, Kevak
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13, Kevak
   ~0 TheBiggerFish
   - IcyTea31
   (GM's intuition)
      + IcyTea31

Spoiler: Survey explanations (If you asked for an explanation, look here) (click to show/hide)

1.0: Pay around 130-170% the price increase for the person whose action you intend to hinder
1.1: Keep <Essence> caps from inflating to ~40-50 as in YG0. We will most likely be using Litany's system assuming my multiple poll edits haven't irreversibly contaminated the results.
3.1: I think this one's origin was someone who wanted everyone/more people to get involved in conflicts whether for more aid or more excitement even when the typical conflict meant no loss or gain for most players
7.2: Actions appropriate for your character get discounts (probably 10-20% at most)
9.0: Equipment system: Develop the mechanics for artifacts such that they contribute a lot more to death/survival than before
9.4: Require that all kills be open and visible
11.0: Here, describe the smallest, cheapest, most inoffensive action another player should not be allowed to do to your creations without permission. (The boundary between acceptable and unacceptable interference)
27.0: Publish a table/list of cost modifiers (helps reduce price checking busywork but may increase metagaming if unregulated)

Stirk: Yes, and I think I've updated the cooperation discount section now

[Stirk]

Interestingly, it seems most of the YGO vote for things like keeping the council, while people with more experience with Litany vote for things like disbanding the council. I wonder if New guard VS Old makes any difference?

*Checks*

I don't think it got updated yet  .

[Kilojoule Proton]

Whoops, now it is!

Now that you mention it, I do see a correlation between newer players tending to want to disband the Council and older players tending to want to keep it (or at least not actively disband it)

[micelus]

Oh just chanelling a little of Mavnon's disdain for artifical cooperation~

[hector13]

I think the "established" players just liked using it for their own ends, and the newer players didn't get to experience how stupidly childish fun it was to punish Fusil because Stirk was being a nuisance OOC...

Also, KJP, is the 137 player cap just an arbitrary thing, or is there a reason for it?

Edit: Much happier about the multi-god discount though. Seemed a bit OP initially.

[Kilojoule Proton]

I just like 137 a lot and tend to doubt there'll be more than 30 players at any given time anyway

[Stirk]

Whoops, now it is!

Now that you mention it, I do see a correlation between newer players tending to want to disband the Council and older players tending to want to keep it (or at least not actively disband it)

It may have something to do with how only old players really got anything from the Council. It was pretty dead near the end-game. Litany doesn't even have one, meaning newer players never used it.

I also like the discount system better. Nicely done with it!

[Vgray]

At least the Don will be honest about being a mob boss...

[Stirk]

At least the Don will be honest about being a mob boss...

You don't know that. I could always have him deny it  .

[Kilojoule Proton]

hector13 and Stirk: Hopefully this leads to multiple misguided attempts to unite all gods under one Pantheon to go on a creation binge

Number of stats poll results:
There should be...

One stat: HP/"money" stat (YG 0)    - 3 (18.8%)
Two stats: an HP stat and a "money" stat    - 4 (25%)
Two stats: a creation stat and a destruction stat    - 0 (0%)
Three stats: (resembles Litany's system)    - 9 (56.3%)
Three stats: a creation stat, a destruction stat, and a "money" stat for both creation and destruction    - 0 (0%)
Another stat system (in thread, send quickly)    - 0 (0%)

[Andres]

So why can't gods use magic in this game? In YG1 it was justified because if mortals could do god-like stuff without Essence, so could gods. How does magic work differently here that prevents a god from using magic?

[Stirk]

So why can't gods use magic in this game? In YG1 it was justified because if mortals could do god-like stuff without Essence, so could gods. How does magic work differently here that prevents a god from using magic?

You can use it (And I knew you would try  ). It just isn't really useful to gods, especially with magic being weaker.

[Andres]

How isn't useful to gods, though? Is there some kind of buffer in place or is it just due to magic being inherently too weak for a god to do much with?

[DreamerGhost]

So why can't gods use magic in this game? In YG1 it was justified because if mortals could do god-like stuff without Essence, so could gods. How does magic work differently here that prevents a god from using magic?

Immagine this like this (and the comparisson might apeal to Stirk too).
You have a gun and a sword. The gun is a AK-47, reliable and usefull in most combat situations. But you only have so much ammo. The sword is kinda shit in a firefight, although you can ocasionaly cut people by ambushing them in coridoors. You are not going to run out of sword though.

Essence and magic. AK-47 and a sword. One is powerfull enough to make the other irrelevant, but can only be used so many times.

[hector13]

Uses of magic: Unlike in YG0, magic cannot be used to escape having to pay Essence (or whatever replaces it). Here, magic is largely (but not completely) relegated to use by mortals attempting to copy a tiny fraction of what gods can do...

I think that's the biggest reason for gods not using magic right now.

DG's analogy is spot on, though. Essence doesn't have limits (beyond being finite) like magic, which has rules and can only affect certain things. For example, Telepathy can only read someone's mind, not build a mountain or smite an entire civilisation.