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[micelus]

Those schools counted as one? I'm fine with this.

[IcyTea31]

Spoiler: Votes (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price
Yea
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low
Yea
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
Abstain
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation
Yea
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
Yea
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes")
Should depend on sphere's relevance to action, no greater than 25%
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts
Yea, though other systems may work
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses
Explanation?
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties
Yea
9.0. Expand the equipment system
Add some limitations, such as a maximum to how many artifacts can be worn at once.
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods
Abstain, should be up to the players
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals
Yea, define those ways from the beginning
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals
Nay, see above
9.4. Require visibility to kill
Yea, it makes little sense for a kill to stay secret
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations
Should be defined by each player for their own
27.0. Make costs transparent
Explanation?
27.1. Less puzzles
Puzzles should mostly be by players, though a few GM-made ones would be nice.
27.2. More world interaction
Yea
27.3. Disband the Council entirely
Nay
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here
Specifics of an alliance should be negotiated by the allies.
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation
Essence income boost for a number of Ticks?
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit
Too difficult to define and enforce. GM's judgement, knows it when he sees it.

I fear

Muahahahaha!

[FArgHalfnr]

The change is much closer to what I meant the school to be. I can understand the confusion now (the fact that I didn't read their description didn't help), what I meant for binding to a god was more like "mortal now has to do X for Y god in exchange of Y" or some sort of telepathic/emotional/whatever bond. I suppose it would also be possible for someone to tap into a god's sphere in a way or another, but that would require a great deal of devotion and skill, along with the consent of said god (because there's no way a mortal would be able to overpower a god for this kind of pact). I think I'll go edit the post in which I've described them for more details that just came to my mind. I'll also keep a copy for convenience.


Also would you mind explaining me how does this stacking and mirroring thing work? I think I'm not the only one not understanding this.

I might have forgotten to answer a question, gonna do that right now.
Edit: answering done

[Kilojoule Proton]

Stacking and mirroring!

The new magic system has many dimensions (which aren't named so much as characterized). Placement on a six-dimensional grid determines which of the sample paths (from this post and its vicinity) a school most resembles. Custom schools can also have the same 6-D location. Having the same 6-D location is referred to as stacking, which I consider the strongest comparison as far as path similarity goes. Mirroring refers to the case where two paths/schools (interchangeable at this point) are located opposite each other in one of three dimensions. While it is frequently a reasonably strong comparison as far as anti-similarity/opposites go, it is far weaker than stacking. Other comparisons are present, but I think none of them quite approach the strength of mirroring and stacking.

(For the statistically inclined, a stronger comparison here is roughly analogous to a stronger correlation, positive or negative.)

ADDIT:

[FArgHalfnr]

Thanks for the info KJP

Also, here's the even more complete version of both of my schools:

Spoiler: Corpomancy (click to show/hide)

Corpomancy: This school of magic focus on the alteration of preexisting life through controlled mutation, addition or removal of features, fusion of multiple beings, split of one in many or other similar process. While it does not technically allow the creation of independent new life, it is possible "bend" this rule by creating multiple consciousness (and by extension souls) through splitting or other means (also think of Cerberus, that's a thing that would technically be possible, that is a single being with multiple minds).

Inexperienced users will only be able to perform minor changes, such as changing hair or skin color, and only on themselves. As they progress, they will be able to perform more and more radical changes on their target, and learn to affect others from an increasingly large distance (although still pretty small, an advanced user might be alter the occupants of a single rooms, while a master might alter all those in a medium-sized building). Difficulty is increased by the number of targets, the level of change attempted, the range between the caster and his target, the magical resistance of the target, and it's willpower. It is possible to affect something the caster can't see, but it will be much harder to do so.

Beings of extreme sizes pose a particular challenge to corpomancers. Large creature contain more biomass to alter, and miniature beings are difficult to alter due to the difficulty to see their fine details. Unlike what one would expect, though, size is far from being the hardest challenge for a corpomancer, these difficulties can be surpassed with enough practice, and only become noticeable with extreme scales. When dealing with a being that would be too large to entirely fit the range of a corpomancer, they only need for a part of the being to be within their range. When dealing with a being too small to be observed, the same rules apply as to when they are attempting to alter a being out of their view/primary mean of localization.

A certain knowledge of the targeted specie's anatomy is required for corpomancy to alter anything that isn't cosmetic, if only to avoid making a change that would be lethal or fatal to the target (this kind of change, if voluntary from the caster, does not require such knowledge, but the target is instinctively unwilling to be affected even if they wish otherwise, due to how instincts work). A high level of skills can reduce the need for this knowledge to some extend, and so only masters of corpomancy may attempt to alter the brain of a being with any chance of success, that is until the brain is understood enough to be altered like any organ by the caster.

Spoiler: Pact Binding (click to show/hide)

Pact Binding: The creation, manipulation or destruction of links binding multiple beings (or objects) of various nature. While it does not imply a set of rule for any party to follow, excluding the direct logical results of the bind, it is possible to include them at the moment of it's creation. Usages of this school of magic can include things like the acquisition of a familiar, binding ghosts to a crypt (although with a lot less efficiency and control that necromancy might bring), establishing a telepathic connection, binding a soul (and consciousness) to a weapon, and the kind of pacts you would except a devil to offer. Binds vary by strength and what exactly is bound together. Factors that determine the difficulty of Pact Binding are the strength of the link, the willingness or magic resistance of all party involved (except the caster), the amount of targeted beings or things and the amount/level of benefits that might come out of it to any party. A pact isn't restricted by distance by default, but adding such a restriction would generally reduce the skills needed for it.

Binds created from this school are typically called "pacts", even though they don't necessarily fit the traditional definition of the word.

Divine pacts diverge from regular pacts due to the overwhelming power a god possess. As gods don't perform magic, these pacts must be realized by the caster, under the supervision of the affected god or an appointed representative. A god can break or end a pact without any significant effort should it become necessary by simply becoming unwilling to be bound. it would technically be possible for someone to tap into a god's sphere in a way or another, but this would require a great deal of devotion and skill, along with the consent of said god. This would potentially allow the caster to be altered, both physically or mentally, towards the sphere he is tapping, provide skills or knowledge related to the sphere or allow a "discount" when performing magic in a way related to the sphere in question. These discounts are bound to the same restrictions that would be in effect for a god. Again due to the overwhelming nature of gods, they are the one to set limits to how much tapping is effective. Due to the fact that magic is a pale imitation of divine power, this tapping is in no way demanding for a god.

I might have put way too much thought into this.

Edit: Formatting. Also is there anything I wouldn't be allowed to do (or would be considered impossible for any mortal to do) in theses? I'm not exactly sure what is considered OP and what isn't in this case.

[gman8181]

Tentative Sheet

Spoiler: Character Sheet (click to show/hide)

Name: Lugen
Sphere(s): Corruption, Entropy
Primary form: A massive centipede like creature with numerous tendrils that can sprout along its body at will to interact with the surroundings.
Description/Background: Lugen is an entity that seems to swim through nothingness much like a fish swims through water. It feeds off entropy and the energy formed within the corrupted lands it leaves in its wake. Creations around Lugen are often either destroyed over time or transformed into smaller corrupting entropy eating creatures.

[Detoxicated]

Name: Srillian
Sphere(s): Spirals and Intelligence
Primary form/Symbol: A gigantic spiral cloud of red colouration
Description/Background: Srillian is a calm being, prone to enjoy intelligent discussions and observing mortals, it swirls around spirally and flashes red and purple lights when it speaks.

[FArgHalfnr]

I updated my sheet again, sorry for the hassle
Also fixed a few things about the drawing that were really bothering me. Sometimes I really hate being so much of a perfectionist. :/

[Kilojoule Proton]

Spoiler: Subsurvey results so far (upvote, downvote, innovate, inno-vote) (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price
   + IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   Explain! TheBiggerFish
   (restrict to retribution)
      + FArgHalfnr
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus
   Explain! FArgHalfnr
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation
   (autonomous NPC holy wars/NPCs hit as collateral damage)
      + micelus
   (followers become less pious if god refuses to help in war)
      +? FArgHalfnr
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk
   - TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + Andres, IcyTea31
   0 micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~- TheBiggerFish
   - Stirk
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes")
   > Andres
   25%> IcyTea31
   0 Stirk, FArgHalfnr
   yes micelus?
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts
   + Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31
   0 micelus?
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses
   + TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk, IcyTea31
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties
   + micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, FArgHalfnr
   (penalties for opposites only)
      + Andres
9.0. Expand the equipment system
   + micelus
   Explain! Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, FArgHalfnr?
   (limit number of wearable artifacts)
      + IcyTea31
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods
   + micelus
   ~+ FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals
   + Stirk, micelus, IcyTea31
   0 FArgHalfnr
   - TheBiggerFish, Andres
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals
   0 FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31
9.4. Require visibility to kill
   + Andres, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations
   (Essence-costing change) Stirk, TheBiggerFish
   (Rewrites description) TheBiggerFish
   (Changes function of a group (e.g. by high ranked mortals)) FArgHalfnr
   (Alters more than a token minority/very few high-ranked) FArgHalfnr
   (Downvoting them) Andres
   (To each player their own) IcyTea31
   Explain! micelus
27.0. Make costs transparent
   + TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   0 Stirk
   Explain! IcyTea31
27.1. Less puzzles
   + Andres
   ~+ IcyTea31
   0 TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, micelus
   (mostly player and not GM puzzles)
27.2. More world interaction
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31
   ~+ TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
27.3. Disband the Council entirely
   + micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~+ TheBiggerFish
   0 Stirk
   - Andres, IcyTea31
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here
   (pantheons evolve naturally (=on their own?))
      + micelus
   (pantheons as mini-Councils)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (pantheons are autonomous)
      + IcyTea31
   Explain! Andres
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation
   (small nondisruptive bonus)
      + Stirk, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   (small, temporary piety bonus)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (small income boost for a few Ticks)
      + IcyTea31
   (equal playing field)
      + TheBiggerFish
   (none) Andres
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~0 TheBiggerFish
   - IcyTea31
   (GM's intuition)
      + IcyTea31

Spoiler: Survey explanations: (click to show/hide)

1.0: Pay around 130-170% the price increase for the person whose action you intend to hinder
1.1: Keep <Essence> caps from inflating to ~40-50 as in YG0. We will most likely be using Litany's system assuming my multiple poll edits haven't irreversibly contaminated the results.
3.1: I think this one's origin was someone who wanted everyone/more people to get involved in conflicts whether for more aid or more excitement even when the typical conflict meant no loss or gain for most players
7.2: Actions appropriate for your character get discounts (probably 10-20% at most)
9.0: Equipment system: Develop the mechanics for artifacts such that they contribute a lot more to death/survival than before
11.0: Here, describe the smallest, cheapest, most inoffensive action another player should not be allowed to do to your creations without permission. (The boundary between acceptable and unacceptable interference)
27.0: Publish a table/list of cost modifiers (helps reduce price checking busywork but may increase metagaming if unregulated)

General OOC:
Character sheets in general: Feel free to modify them up until the game starts and include extra information (such as titles).

FArgHalfnr: It seems OK. Magic here is balanced by inexperienced people simply being unable to do advanced/impressive feats, so superficially OP schools will likely have few active mages. (also, sheet updated)

gman8181, Detoxicated: Added to list

[Andres]

What about my survey questions? I put them right under the survey.

EDIT: Also, for 3.1, I really wouldn't mind NPCs autonomously starting holy wars or losing faith in their god for not joining if it makes sense. My only objection to 3.1 is any artificial creation of relevance.

[Kilojoule Proton]

I put the answers under the survey under the explanations spoiler

[Andres]

I know, but I wasn't sure if 27.4 meant a suggestion need to be made in the survey or if we should discuss them here until writing this post. Current pantheon mechanics should stay the same.

I've edited my previous post twice regarding my stance on 3.1.

For 11.0, I was downvoting the idea that we should pick a small thing that interferes with our creations so we can ban it. To answer the question, I'd say that veto-ing would be the smallest roadblock.

1.1 Abstain

9.0 Downvote. They shouldn't give any artificial bonuses beyond what bonuses they give naturally.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Spoiler: Survey results so far (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price
   + IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   Explain! TheBiggerFish
   (restrict to retribution)
      + FArgHalfnr
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, Andres
   Explain! FArgHalfnr
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation
   (autonomous NPC holy wars/NPCs hit as collateral damage)
      + micelus
      ~+ Andres?
   (followers become less pious if god refuses to help in war)
      +? FArgHalfnr
      ~+ Andres?
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk
   - TheBiggerFish, micelus
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + Andres, IcyTea31
   0 micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~- TheBiggerFish
   - Stirk
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes")
   > Andres
   25%> IcyTea31
   0 Stirk, FArgHalfnr
   yes micelus?
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts
   + Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31
   0 micelus?
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses
   + TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties
   + micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, FArgHalfnr
   (penalties for opposites only)
      + Andres
9.0. Expand the equipment system
   + micelus
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk, TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr?
   (limit number of wearable artifacts)
      + IcyTea31
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods
   + micelus
   ~+ FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals
   + Stirk, micelus, IcyTea31
   0 FArgHalfnr
   - TheBiggerFish, Andres
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals
   0 FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31
9.4. Require visibility to kill
   + Andres, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations
   (Essence-costing change) Stirk, TheBiggerFish
   (Rewrites description) TheBiggerFish
   (Changes function of a group (e.g. by high ranked mortals)) FArgHalfnr
   (Alters more than a token minority/very few high-ranked) FArgHalfnr
   (Vetoing/Blocking/Hindering creations) Andres
   (To each player their own) IcyTea31
   Explain! micelus
27.0. Make costs transparent
   + TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31
   0 Stirk
27.1. Less puzzles
   + Andres
   ~+ IcyTea31
   0 TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, micelus
   (mostly player and not GM puzzles)
27.2. More world interaction
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31
   ~+ TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
27.3. Disband the Council entirely
   + micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~+ TheBiggerFish
   0 Stirk
   - Andres, IcyTea31
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here
   (pantheons evolve naturally (=on their own?))
      + micelus
   (pantheons as mini-Councils)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (pantheons are autonomous)
      + IcyTea31
   (pantheons should be kept the same)
      + Andres
   Explain! Andres
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation
   (small nondisruptive bonus)
      + Stirk, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   (small, temporary piety bonus)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (small income boost for a few Ticks)
      + IcyTea31
   (equal playing field)
      + TheBiggerFish
   (none) Andres
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~0 TheBiggerFish
   - IcyTea31
   (GM's intuition)
      + IcyTea31

EDIT: Spoilered the overly long thing and added IcyTea31's votes

[IcyTea31]

7.2: Yea
27.0: Yea

[DreamerGhost]

Spoiler: Survey (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price Yes
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low No
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself Yes
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation It should at least be relevant to those whose worshipers/creations are participating.
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself -
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes") Same
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts Yes
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses -
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties No
9.0. Expand the equipment system Yes
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods Yes
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals Yes
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals No
9.4. Require visibility to kill No
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations Anything that the king/leader/etc is likely to hear and be concerned about.
27.0. Make costs transparent No
27.1. Less puzzles No
27.2. More world interaction -
27.3. Disband the Council entirely -
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here Player forged aliances under GM as witness
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation No
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit Yes

6D magic lathice. KJP, you did it again, I am am impressed as heck.