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« Reply #1935 on: September 06, 2015, 08:32:43 pm »

Internets, brah. You could just be a woman pretending to be a man, all I know is your words and demeanour :P but yeah, I always thought of you as a dude, I've just recently grown distasteful of gender-specific pronouns. :-\

I could refer you to a research paper that devised a method of how to determine a person's gender by the way they typed, but I can't be bothered looking for it :))

Fool, there are no Women on the internet! Besides, I love pronouns, gender-specific or otherwise. They are a wonderful way to shorten a reference to anyone or anything into two or three letters. The "Large Hadron Colder" is simply "It", saving a lot of typing. Even short-words like KJP can be shortened into the wonderful "He", shaving a letter off an already short word. "They" is alright, but fairly long for normal use, and referring to everyone as they would make any writing/speaking sound funny, as repeating any word too much would. The English language is buetiful, don't know why so many people have problems with it  :-\.

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Not really good enough. If Eid wanted to give a race strict moral values, then alignment simply wouldn't cut it. If he eventually strayed from what he perceived to be at the time the path of righteousness, he'll want his race to call him out, but since they're aligned to him they won't.

So you are saying that KJP should know your character better than you, to the point they can predict what he would have thought the "Moral Thing" was?

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But I'm not asking for Ovid's morality, I'm specifically asking for modern-day cartoon morality. You know, the kind of morality that ties together the heroes from Avatar, Disney, DBZ, etc. I'm only labelling that set of morality as "good" for convenience. That set of subjective morality is what I want. I'm not saying it's be be-all and end-all of good, but it's what I want and it's what I'll call "good" simply because it would be tedious to call it anything else. It's also what plenty of people (including KJP) would recognise when I say "good".

This. Game. Isn't. A. Cartoon. Please get that into your scull.

You aren't labeling a morality though. You are saying "HEY KJP! IMMA PUT SOME GENERIC MORALITY STUFF IN!112313!"

The Heroes from Avatar, Disney, and DBZ all have different moralities. Vastly different. Heck, even the characters have different moralities. Who is morally right, Goku or Vegita? Aang or the supporting characters? There is not a set list of morality. Going back to what someone called you out on, it is fair to say that most of us believe "Eating Souls is an Evil Action", because it is destroying someones soul. Goku, Aang, and Mickey Mouse would find something like that unthinkable. But here you are pretending it falls under your interpretation of "Good". You haven't even explained what is "Good" yet!

At this point, I'm tempted to create an angel with Flux and Essence caps and call him "Jesus" for the specific purpose of physically creating objective good. Either that or I'll create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I will personally kill them if you do this. Not the Don. I will break through the fourth wall and destroy them personally.
I have to agree with Stirk. Why are you trying so hard to force your own personal morality into this game? I don't understand.
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« Reply #1936 on: September 06, 2015, 08:33:31 pm »

At this point, I'm tempted to create an angel with Flux and Essence caps and call him "Jesus" for the specific purpose of physically creating objective good. Either that or I'll create the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

To which it's answer to every question of "is this good/evil?" would be "it depends"?

I don't think you'll be able to force objective morality on us, I don't think anybody would accept it.

PPE: I was going to say that I (as Veles) would destroy it, but Stirk beat me to it with a much more amusing image.
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« Reply #1937 on: September 06, 2015, 08:39:01 pm »

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait without defining it, why can't I create a Good trait without defining it?
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« Reply #1938 on: September 06, 2015, 08:41:01 pm »

Wait, that exists? That shouldn't either then. This might have the inverse effect of reducing Zenurion's Influence but ehh.
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« Reply #1939 on: September 06, 2015, 08:43:25 pm »

I'm sure Farg did explain what he meant by it somewhere... I just can't find it :(
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« Reply #1940 on: September 06, 2015, 08:43:35 pm »

Evil <x1>: Muahahahaha! (exactly what it sounds like)
Maybe the Good trait would be "Good <x1>: Peace, justice, and freedom! (exactly what it sounds like)"
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« Reply #1941 on: September 06, 2015, 08:43:43 pm »

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait, why can't I create a Good trait?

It makes people MUHAHAHAHAHH!

You can create a Good trait. You specifically said in your plan "This does not include the Good/Evil/Whatever" traits. If you wanted to make it count on the Good traits, nobody would have a problem with it. But you specifically said that it counts by "DnD" type morality instead.
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« Reply #1942 on: September 06, 2015, 08:43:58 pm »

Stirk is going to kill Andres' character an uncountable number of names again isn't he?

I believe the evil trait has been in the BBI from the beginning.
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« Reply #1943 on: September 06, 2015, 08:45:15 pm »

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait, why can't I create a Good trait?

It makes people MUHAHAHAHAHH!

You can create a Good trait. You specifically said in your plan "This does not include the Good/Evil/Whatever" traits. If you wanted to make it count on the Good traits, nobody would have a problem with it. But you specifically said that it counts by "DnD" type morality instead.

This might be more due to my ignorance, but is there a difference?
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« Reply #1944 on: September 06, 2015, 08:46:58 pm »

Andres, why do you feel the need to ignore adjectives?

You're saying 'it gives them the ability'.

NO. Goddamnit this is pissing me off by this point because it's such a stupid thing to be getting confused about. NO.

It gives them the inborn ability. I do not currently have the ability to run a 10 second 100 yard dash. Most people are not born with the ability to do that. They may however obtain that ability. It's really not goddamn complicated.

On a note related to morality; some traits that will be confusing because they have nothing to do with morality.
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[Heroic]: Bonuses to thwarting convoluted plans
[Villainous]: Bonuses to making convoluted plans

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[Heroic] or [Rise to the Challenge]: The more the odds are stacked against them, the more deftly they take the challenges associated with them.
[Villainous] or [Schemer]: Surprisingly adept at getting convoluted plans to work.
[Slayer]: Good at defeating larger foes; cannot be smaller than Size-2; effectiveness improves the larger the size difference(though massive foes with lots of abilities are still gonna be tough). Countered by and partially counters [Monstrous].
[Monstrous]: Good at defeating smaller foes; effectiveness improves the larger the size difference(though well organized groups of tiny opponents can still present a threat, conceivably) Countered by and partially counters [Slayer].
[Duelist]: Good at taking on singular opponents. If other opponents are present that present a much lesser threat, it can still work, though with reduced effectiveness. Precludes [Never Outnumbered]
[Never Outnumbered]: Good at taking on multiple opponents. The more, the better(though if they're all fairly strong, still dangerous), capping out around two dozen (mostly because that's the most you can really be near at one time, unless you're huge in comparison, in which case that's what ). Precludes [Duelist]
[Magically Attuned]: Naturally better with magic of all types, though no inborn ability. Precludes [Magic Resistance] and learning Antimancy.

Also, Good/Evil are relative. Eid's gonna have to deal with it. There is no morally objective right thing to do in many situations. For example: You have magical foreknowledge, and there is a 0% chance that you are wrong in this, that the person you are walking next to in an alleyway will screw up in a few days, end up crashing a plane, and kill half a dozen people in the process. They don't do it intentionally, but the only way to prevent this (the only way) is to stab them, right here, right now, so that they die. You cannot convince people of your magical vision, you cannot get them not to fly the plane any other way. You have to murder them. If you don't, other people will die, as the result of an accident. What, in this situation, is the morally, objectively right answer? Kill, or allow to die?

Now, that same scenario, except you might be wrong. They might not crash. But you're pretty sure they will. You think so. There's about a 60% chance of it. If you're wrong, though, you just committed murder without even the excuse of saving someone. Now what's the morally, objectively right answer?

Is it better to pull the plug on someone in terminal care, who can't experience anything right now and is a drain on their family's resources and causing them suffering, or hope they get that tiny chance of recovery and keep them on life support?

Is the boy who steals from the struggling baker to feed his ailing mother evil? Is the baker? Is he Good?

Is the man who commits genocide on an endangered non-sapient species in order to save those he knows and loves good or evil?

There is no black and white, Andres. There are only shades of Gray. My character is an example of that. If (hypothetically speaking) his goal was to take over literally everything, universal domination...because he honestly believed it would make it a better place, and that people would be happier and society would advance at a faster rate...is he evil?

Are the little kids who beat the shit out of another kid because he repeated a phrase about someone's mother they heard when they were walking by a bar on the way back to the car after going to beach evil? Or do they not know any better? What about the way lil' kids (all lil' kids) will find any excuse(be it shirt color or number of baby teeth) they can to ostracize, shun, and exclude someone unless and until they're taught better?

If a bully is 'evil' for taking out the pain and suffering they're going through on others as a badly adjusted mean of coping, is it acceptable to eat their soul, then?

What I'm getting at here, you see, is that kids are assholes.








And also, morality isn't easily defined.

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait without defining it, why can't I create a Good trait without defining it?
You can. You just can't say 'based on objective morality, not on traits' when you try and have something determine good/evil for the purpose of souls.

Also, I mean, hell, Justice alone is a debate in and of itself. Does it refer to law or what's 'right'? Who determines what's 'right'? Different cultures have completely different standards for what's acceptable and what's not. Hell, the PRC has an 80+% approval rate, according to one study by an American guy. Yet most Americans think communism is literally Satan, as Stirk will attest.
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« Reply #1945 on: September 06, 2015, 08:47:51 pm »

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait, why can't I create a Good trait?

It makes people MUHAHAHAHAHH!

You can create a Good trait. You specifically said in your plan "This does not include the Good/Evil/Whatever" traits. If you wanted to make it count on the Good traits, nobody would have a problem with it. But you specifically said that it counts by "DnD" type morality instead.
I included the "DnD" stuff partly to appease people who'd complain about morality and partly to specify that the being isn't limited to eating those with the Evil trait.

Those with the Evil trait are evil people. Those without the Evil trait can also be evil people. The race or being would be able to eat evil people regardless of whether they have an in-built trait making them evil or not.

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« Reply #1946 on: September 06, 2015, 08:48:56 pm »

I got ninjaed about 30 times, typing that, just so you know.
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« Reply #1947 on: September 06, 2015, 08:50:18 pm »

Can someone explain to me the Evil trait, then? If objective morality isn't in YG2 yet, then how can the Evil trait exist? What exactly is it referring to? If Zenurion can create an Evil trait, why can't I create a Good trait?

It makes people MUHAHAHAHAHH!

You can create a Good trait. You specifically said in your plan "This does not include the Good/Evil/Whatever" traits. If you wanted to make it count on the Good traits, nobody would have a problem with it. But you specifically said that it counts by "DnD" type morality instead.

This might be more due to my ignorance, but is there a difference?

Yes. If he bases it off of races/individuals having the [Evil] trait, then there is a logical in-game bases for the mechanic to work. People gave that trait to their followers. If it works off of DnD style morality, then it is the individual who has to be judged based on a bendable, unset, criteria. Basically, one is asking you to attack all "Convicted Felons" (An Objective Description) while the other is asking you to attack all "Bad People" (Subjective Description).
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« Reply #1948 on: September 06, 2015, 08:55:30 pm »

I got ninjaed about 30 times, typing that, just so you know.

That's what happens when you build a WALL OF TEXT :P

At least everything that was said was consolidated in your post, so it's alright. We can just call it the highlights.
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« Reply #1949 on: September 06, 2015, 08:58:33 pm »

Can we please keep the silly antics in the IC?
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