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[Spiderking50]

Some gods fit into multiple categories. Like Marrow could be classified either as a dark god or a gardener. He isn't necessarily evil, just related to the underworld and creepy things.

[hector13]

It's also RPG's opinion on where things lie. They won't know how other players are intending to play yet.

[Vgray]

I'm curious Rolep, where would Talios place based just on his spheres, and not what I've said about him?

[Stirk]

...Almost time to launch...

Time to start thinking about world design and races~. Also time to keep these ideas to yourself!

[Kilojoule Proton]

Spiderking50: Putremancy added, stacks with ?.??, mirrors Ecomancy/Ecoturgy/Nature Magic (2/2 free schools used)
Umbramancy is still in the same spot, but changes have been noted

tntey: I'm working on a program for doing the tedious parts that ought to require little human input so I can focus on the softer things. Also, other prospective YG GMs may find it useful in the near future (i.e. hopefully it reduces the free time threshold enough that most anyone can run a similar game with more than 20 players).

IcyTea31: Sheet updated

hector13: Votes counted

TheBiggerFish: Technomancy added, stacks with metamagic, is this OK? (2/2 free schools used)

Dutrius: Resonance magic/Echoturgy added, stacks with Geomancy/Geoturgy, mirrors Akriurgy (1/2 free schools used)

DreamerGhost: DreamerGhost has been awarded the title of Master Guide! Congratulations!

Lord_lemonpie: Neuromancy added, stacks with Corpomancy (1/2 free schools used)

Spiderking50: Confirming what others have said, anyone with enough skill/ability can use magic. I predict gods will rarely use magic with the exception of a few undiscovered slots.

hector13: It's currently one affinity, and it's not strictly required, but it flags all members of the creation as having at least inborn novice ability in the path. Whether novice ability is enough to do anything is left to whoever designed the school.

Stirk: Switching to exponential decay now

gman8181: I've updated the reference post. Influence is now a bit of a bigger thing and can replace worshipers to a much greater extent.

ADDIT:

Spoiler: subsurvey results (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price
   + IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   - Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr
   Explain! TheBiggerFish
   (bonus for making it public) hector13
   (restrict to retribution)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (restrict number of times applicable) @@@ search for supporter after previous line
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low
   + IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13
   0 Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, Andres
   - DreamerGhost
   (mostly through slower cap increases) hector13
   Explain! FArgHalfnr
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost
   0 TheBiggerFish, micelus, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek
   - Stirk, Andres, hector13
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation
   + IcyTea31
   0 Stirk
   - TheBiggerFish, micelus, Rolepgeek, hector13
   (autonomous NPC holy wars/NPCs hit as collateral damage)
      + micelus
      ~+ Andres?, DreamerGhost?
   (followers become less pious if god refuses to help in war)
      + DreamerGhost
      +? FArgHalfnr
      ~+ Andres?
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself
   + Andres, IcyTea31
   0 micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   ~- TheBiggerFish, hector13
   - Stirk
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes")
   > Andres
   25%> IcyTea31, Rolepgeek
   = DreamerGhost, hector13
   0 Stirk, FArgHalfnr
   yes micelus?
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts
   + Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   0 micelus?
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses
   + TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, micelus, Rolepgeek, hector13
   0 DreamerGhost
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties
   + micelus, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost
   (penalties for opposites only)
      + Andres, Rolepgeek, hector13
9.0. Expand the equipment system
   + micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   0 hector13
   - Andres
   Explain! Stirk, TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr?
   (limit number of wearable artifacts)
      + IcyTea31
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods
   + micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   ~+ FArgHalfnr
   0 TheBiggerFish, IcyTea31
   - Stirk, Andres
   (but make detection easier) hector13
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals
   + Stirk, micelus, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   0 FArgHalfnr, hector13
   - TheBiggerFish, Andres
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals
   0 FArgHalfnr, hector13
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
9.4. Require visibility to kill (gods)
   + Andres, IcyTea31, hector 13
   - Stirk, TheBiggerFish, micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost
   Explain! Rolepgeek
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations
   (Essence-costing change) Stirk, TheBiggerFish, hector13
   (Rewrites description) TheBiggerFish, DreamerGhost, micelus?, Rolepgeek
   (Changes function of a group (e.g. by high ranked mortals)) FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   (Alters more than a token minority/very few high-ranked) FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek
   (Vetoing/Blocking/Hindering creations) Andres
   (To each player their own) IcyTea31
   (Changes their names) micelus
27.0. Make costs transparent
   + TheBiggerFish, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13
   0 Stirk
   - DreamerGhost
27.1. Less puzzles
   + Andres
   ~+ IcyTea31
   0 TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   - Stirk, micelus, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   (mostly player and not GM puzzles) @@@ go back and see who posted this
27.2. More world interaction
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, IcyTea31, Rolepgeek, hector13
   ~+ TheBiggerFish, FArgHalfnr
   0 DreamerGhost
27.3. Disband the Council entirely
   + micelus, FArgHalfnr
   ~+ TheBiggerFish
   0 Stirk, DreamerGhost, hector13
   - Andres, IcyTea31
   ? Rolepgeek
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here
   (pantheons evolve naturally (=on their own?))
      + micelus
   (pantheons as mini-Councils)
      + FArgHalfnr
   (pantheons are autonomous)
      + IcyTea31, hector13
   (pantheons should be kept the same)
      + Andres, Rolepgeek
   (pantheons as player-forged alliances with GM as witness)
      + DreamerGhost
   Explain! Andres
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation
   (small nondisruptive bonus)
      + Stirk, micelus, FArgHalfnr, Rolepgeek, hector13
      - Andres, DreamerGhost
   (small, temporary piety bonus)
      + FArgHalfnr
      - Andres, DreamerGhost
   (small income boost for a few Ticks)
      + IcyTea31
      - Andres, DreamerGhost
   (equal playing field)
      + TheBiggerFish
      - Andres, DreamerGhost
   (none)
      + Andres, DreamerGhost
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit
   + Stirk, Andres, micelus, FArgHalfnr, DreamerGhost, Rolepgeek, hector13
   ~0 TheBiggerFish
   - IcyTea31
   (GM's intuition)
      + IcyTea31

Spoiler: survey explanations (click to show/hide)

1.0: Pay around 130-170% the price increase for the person whose action you intend to hinder
1.1: Keep <Essence> caps from inflating to ~40-50 as in YG0. We will most likely be using Litany's system assuming my multiple poll edits haven't irreversibly contaminated the results.
3.1: I think this one's origin was someone who wanted everyone/more people to get involved in conflicts whether for more aid or more excitement even when the typical conflict meant no loss or gain for most players
7.2: Actions appropriate for your character get discounts (probably 10-20% at most)
9.0: Equipment system: Develop the mechanics for artifacts such that they contribute a lot more to death/survival than before
11.0: Here, describe the smallest, cheapest, most inoffensive action another player should not be allowed to do to your creations without permission. (The boundary between acceptable and unacceptable interference)
27.0: Publish a table/list of cost modifiers (helps reduce price checking busywork but may increase metagaming if unregulated)

[tntey]

Will the IC go up today?

[Kilojoule Proton]

Maybe in talk-only form until tomorrow, yes.

[FArgHalfnr]

Edited My survey to respond to questions that needed clarification.

Spoiler: Survey issues to upvote/downvote (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price Depends on whenever or not it only applies to actions taken against oneself/their creation/their allies (or pantheon) and their creation. If it does, upvote. Otherwise downvote.
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low Downvote if it means less than three stats. Or maybe you mean the numbers for each? Need more clarification. Abstain
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself Cold wars sounds fun. Upvote.
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation Depends how. Maybe lower the worship quality of gods who do nothing about a conflict their followers would like them to do something about? Need more clarification here too.
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself Not sure if needed. Abstain
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes") Don't know enough about the game's balance and mechanics to make a decision. Abstain.
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts Upvote
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses Upvote
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties Downvote
9.0. Expand the equipment system What system? Upvote
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods Upvote if not by too much. I'd expect that to happen naturally though.
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals Abstain
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals Abstain
9.4. Require visibility to kill Downvote
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations Any change that might affect the functioning of a civilization/organization/cult (regardless of how important that change might be), affect one or more high ranked mortals, affect the public opinion of mortals or alter the body/mind/soul of either anything more than a token minority of the group in question or one or more high ranked members. All of these without the expressed consent of their creator off course.
27.0. Make costs transparent Upvote. Metagaming concerns could be alleviated if the knowledge of costs was considered to be an instinctive one each god is born with.
27.1. Less puzzles Abstain
27.2. More world interaction Same as Thebiggerfish
27.3. Disband the Council entirely Upvote
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here Pantheons should essentially as miniature councils. Common goal for each member = No longer useless in most cases, less members = No longer omnipotent. Not sure if proposals would be necessary within them, unless maybe the pantheon happened to be pretty big. Secret pantheon votes, meetings and other related activities should definitively be possible. Also I don't think there should be a cap for the amount of pantheons. That kind of alliance making tends to be pretty unpredictable, so there's no real way to know how many factions will appear for sure until it actually happens.
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation Upvote for a somewhat limited compensation. Enough to make new players relevant, but not enough to render progression pointless. Maybe a temporary bonus to worship quality explained by the fact that people are exited because there's a new god?
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit Upvote. Let's not repeat what happened to litany

Also probably gonna add a bit more to Pact Binding because I forgot something (which I just realized I forgot again, will edit if I remember).

[Dutrius]

Why do I have the feeling that I'm going to wake up in the morning and discover that the IC thread will have four or five pages before I get there...

[Stirk]

Because I am going to immediately write 3-4 pages on the IC the second it goes up.

[FArgHalfnr]

Why do I have the feeling that I'm going to wake up in the morning and discover that the IC thread will have four or five pages before I get there...

Exactly what happened to me in this thread today

[tntey]

Oh boy

[Stirk]

The exponential-decay comment you made was for 6+ gods working together, correct?

[~Neri]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1.0 Allow hindering of actions to make them more expensive at a price Yes if it is hindering something directly harmful to a god or their creations and worshipers. No if it is not directly harmful.
1.1 Keep total Essence/other stat counts low Let it raise as the game progresses. Higher income/higher use rate = higher chance of raising. An old god should be a lot more capable then a young one simply due to experience.
3.0. Damp conflicts to allow cold wars and reduce character death while preserving conflict itself Only do this when it makes sense. However preventing Player Character Death would be nice. Losing a character is a serious thing.
3.1. Make conflicts somehow relevant to everyone to increase participation No. Why would an unrelated god on a different planet find a conflict that does not affect them or their worshipers relevant? Make conflicts relevant to gods who's worshipers are affected directly or indirectly (Blockade of trade is a thing you know).
3.2. Focus on indirect conflict through proxies and such to reduce character death while preserving conflict itself Yes. Read my reasoning above.
7.0. Spheres govern actions by discounts smaller than, the same as, or greater than 20% (vote with the preferred option, not with "yes") It should vary depending on how much sense it makes. I personally think Andres's metagamey spheres should do flat out nothing for him. It's blatant munchkining.
7.1. Spheres govern actions by bonuses and discounts Yes.
7.2. Spheres govern actions through RPing bonuses Yes! Please. A god that just goes "Let there be light" and throws the energy into space should need to spend more then a god that carefully crafts a sun from their essence.
7.3. Spheres govern actions by both discounts and penalties There should be no penalties for going out of sphere.
9.0. Expand the equipment system Yes.
9.1. Emphasize strategy and indirectness (and maybe even diplomacy!) over directly attacking gods Yes~!
9.2. Reduce the number of possible ways to have revivals Yes.
9.3. Increase the number of possible ways to have revivals No.
9.4. Require visibility to kill Explain?
11.0. Describe the smallest thing that counts as unwanted interference in your creations Interfering or altering a large group of my creations without consent in a negative or harmful way or doing something that affects the majority of a creation in a negative or harmful way. Ie: Altering a small number to function as mind contol nodes for the lesser ones. Ie: Randomly smiting some of them.
27.0. Make costs transparent Yes please.
27.1. Less puzzles Puzzels are fun.
27.2. More world interaction Yes~!
27.3. Disband the Council entirely Yes.
27.4. Discuss pantheon changes here Pantheons should form naturally via players deciding to group together and give bonuses as defined by the members and the GM. They should not need to be public.
27.5. Provide some juniority compensation Hell no.
27.6. Make the policy on metagaming explicit Yes. I'm looking at You Andres. Mr. Munchkin.

[DreamerGhost]

DreamerGhost: DreamerGhost has been awarded the title of Master Guide! Congratulations!

I shall make sure to justify this title. As soon as the initial rules are finalised, I shall rework that post into something worth linking to. 
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