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Yes.

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No.

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Yes, but. . . (comment how, below)

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Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: August 31, 2016, 04:23:26 pm

[~Neri]

Exactly!

[Insanegame27]

No. Magi you can prove that there is earth there, despite other people's perception.

[Maegil]

He doesn't think there is earth, he knows there is earth and evidence to the contrary be damned.

[Insanegame27]

There is no damning evidence to the contrary. There are the falsifications of others trying to lead you astray.

[~Neri]

Well technically the factor that other people perceive otherwise is a nonfactor.

You're basically going "There's Earth Here. This is an irrefutable fact."

You're not going "There's Earth Here despite there not being earth here and despite there being evidence otherwise." The factor that there's evidence to the contrary detracts from the statement of Absoluteness. Acknowledging the contrary evidence while making a Statement would prevent the statement from working. Cause with that you're accepting the already existent reality.

[Prophet]

Got it. When we go to help with the containment breech there will be a lot of random earth to be made into spears in the base. 

So the action would go like this? Melnakos attempts to form earth spears out of the earth that is on the ground ahead of him and fling them at the enemy. Even if there isn't any earth there. Because Melnakos does see earth there. Just want to make sure.

[Maegil]

In the words of Master Yoda, "Not 'try'; there is no 'try'. Do, or do not."

[~Neri]

((There Is earth there. Don't acknowledge the lack of earth.))

[Prophet]

Do you mean I should cut out the part about it being ahead of me or the unbolded part? Because the unbolded part wasn't suppose to be taken as ic text. It was to make sure that I got the concept right.

[~Neri]

Ah. I was assuming you were including the " Even if there isn't any earth there." bit.

[Prophet]

So how would this work for conjuration? How would that look from the view of the magi? Would he just think that the creature always existed?

[~Neri]

Functionally. You're bringing something that "Isn't" into a state of "Always Was"

It might not have manifested until just now. But it was "Always There"

[Prophet]

So from the magi's point of view it is kinda like they just noticed it existed?

[~Neri]

Functionally. Or more specifically they decided to notice it existed.

[Prophet]

So they know that something existed but they didn't know what or where it was until they decided to?