Okay then. Let's answer some questions!
Answer to Fallacy question two:
Ar... your question's phrasing confuses me, and so do the links. I'm going to interpret it as "why did you decide to start the "truth teller post" thing?" (correct me if I'm wrong)
All things considered, an actual truth teller in this game is unlikely. The actual reason I asked everybody to make an easily scannable truth teller post was to gauge the players' reactions, to see if anybody was particularly hesitant or evasive regarding the "I am town" post. Thus far, only Tawarochir reacted badly to that, but I imagine that was just because of a flashback to the latest BM, whence I tried a refuge in audacity where I said in every one of my posts "I am town". After I explained what I was asking, he promptly said "I am town" as requested.
I...am unsure if you directly answered 'why' though. Please do?
Tiruin: If you had three alignment-inspects and a role-inspect, who would you use them on?
NQT: Same question as above.
I'm not using it now, that said. :O I'm using it later! Wherein the answer here won't occur because of all that later-ness.
If its hypothetically 'now', NQT; Jack; DA.
Due to how I analyze their attitudes in respect to how they play the game. R-I towards Jack; while NQT is a nice first impression--I have...a limited range of general ideas on how his role could impact his play, so Jack it is, because he's second-runner up in that context.
Why only 2 people you ask there?
Everybody: Would we be better off without NQT here? Answering no will likely earn you my suspicion if you don't use good reasoning.
Hmm.
How's about No: because I'm curious what prompted you to think that way in the first place?
Question 2: Is that good reasoning enough for you?
Directly why: Because I figured I could analyze the players posting "I am town" for any reluctance and strike at the reluctant players as those more likely to be scum.
Why only two people: Many of the other people haven't much been active, you're just beginning to be more active, so I wanted a contrast or something like that from you and NQT. Hm. Let's see if I can phrase this better... NQT because he hasn't attacked many people, you because you've just started activity in earnest(in my opinion).
"Because I'm curious what prompted you to think that way in the first place." All things considered, NQT is acting rather much like someone anti-town as a result of the massive, massive amounts of WIFOM he was spreading. Saying you don't want him gone also says "I want him here" and I don't know why a townie would want someone spewing that much WIFOM here.
Is that good enough reasoning, you say? For the moment, but it won't do in the long term- you ought to reconsider if you really need the WIFOM bomb lying around here. Hm. My brain is getting irritated.
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FoUThe most beneficial lynch... NQT is the obvious choice. There are going to be other foes(most likely), and at the moment I don't have enough evidence to determine who those other foes are. All things considered, everyone who jumped on the WIFOM bandwagon is suspicious to me. Why, really, would any town or town-aligned player want to cause confusion in their ranks?
I wouldn't really describe that as a bandwagon. We have NQT's claim, Jack's counterclaim and then a few joke claims afterwards. Why do you think that lynching NQT today (finding out if he was telling the truth) is a better idea to leaving him alive and potentially lynching him tomorrow (which would still find out if he was telling the truth as well as potentially revealing whether there was any weight to Jack's claims)?
NQT is a pile of timey-wimey goop.
All of a sudden mafia-ally seems like his alignment.
What's this based off of, exactly?
Tawa, this:
NQT is trying to seem suspicious. This isn't because he's a jester, the idea he put forth. It's because he wants us to think he's a jester. If we know he's a jester, we won't lynch him, because it would be a waste of our time and resources. But he's actually a mafioso, and he's using the idea that we think he's a jester as a shield against being lynched. But he made the slip-up that he seemed way too scummy, right off the bat; if he was serious about his jester role, he wouldn't have thrown so much WIFOM in our faces at the very start and sending at least two players' scum-o-meters way off the charts before the first day was even half over.
is some bizarre reasoning. You think NQT is scum because of his WIFOM, but your justification for it is entirely WIFOM in itself. How does NQT using the exact same tactic while being town in his last game fit into your reasoning? More importantly, if you're so certain that NQT is scum, why aren't you voting for him?
FoU and Tawa, do you have any reasoning for thinking that NQT is scum besides his list of claims at the start?
Tiruin, I think I detect some puny meatbag doubts about my sincerity in my claim of being an organic humanoid like yourself. Allow me to assuage your doubts by allowing you to process this amusing data with your optics array
Beep boop.
In any case, I suppose I'm curious about why I warrant your third hypothetical inspection? Did you chose NQT and Jack based off their earlier claims or were all three of us based off our attitudes?
Why lynch NQT today? Because if he is an SK/doomsayer/mafia-ally, we don't want him to remain alive any longer than we have to. Unfortunately we don't have any proof of NQT's alignment or role, only the sheer WIFOM dump he did... hm. Point. We can always lynch him later, yes? Let's see what Jack says after tonight.
Unvote Notquitethere. I don't think he could end the game in one night(hopefully). We have time, for the moment.
"What's this based off of, exactly?" Hm. A hunch, though that isn't good enough. Perhaps the way he's trying to look desirable for the scum to leave alive(what with all the confusion he's causing), but that could also be a survivor-tell. Hm... hm. I wish someone could day-inspect. Or truth-tell. (of course, I don't know if any of those abilities exist, though I hope so. Perhaps anyone with such abilities is keeping them in reserve.)
"Any reasoning for wishing NQT dead beyond claims list?" Hm. It's not just the claims list, it's the lack of proper scumhunting(to my perspective) and the fact that he choose to make said claims list, causing massive volumes of confusion. I'm still trying to think through it. I believe he's lying about the day-kill(x2), but a 1-shot day-kill is within reason, and so is the "infection". Argh.
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Crikey, I'm making walls of mafia text! Incredible!
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I'll continue my other dialogs later today. For now these questions were posed that I feel are important to answer.
I know Tiruin's going to give novices a hard time, not because she means to, but because of mutual misunderstandings.
Ouch! XD
Mutual misunderstandings?
...That's important to know. Anything about it?
Our dialog in GBoO, my first impression of you (before learning you were considered the most kind hearted person on the forums) was that you were a cruel meanie who liked to pick on novices. I hadn't realized you were trying to teach me!
And the next game I played with you (I can't remember which, sorry), I noticed there was another player who was just joining the subforum, and you and him had a similar dialog of giving eachother a hard time, where you were trying to instruct him and he was not realizing that.
But I've gotten to know you better now and realize it was all a misunderstanding. Also, I'm going to borrow your orange in the next quote.
Everybody: Would we be better off without NQT here? Answering no will likely earn you my suspicion if you don't use good reasoning.
Hmmm...
No. Here's my reasoning:
Firstly, I don't like the text I've highlighted in orange here.
Secondly, NQT has gathered enough data, from reactions and questions, to form a reads list. I'm possibly biased because it shows me in a positive light, but I do feel that keeping NQT around until at least day 2 would be advantageous due to his (sorry, I still keep thinking her after how many games? ) knack for analysis; and if NQT does turn out anti-town, we can STILL use the analysis in that light to efficiently hunt scum.
Thirdly, there are better lynch candidates. Jack, 4mask, lidku, TDS, Tiruin, me if you think I'm shady, Tawa... lots of potential lynch candidates; and even if you don't think any of them individually are better lynch candidates, remember that the sum of their scummyness is far more than NQT's
Waitaminute, there aren't any questions in that post. Dangit.
I'll still respond, though.
First: Why don't you like it? I gave my reasoning earlier in this post. Or maybe I didn't. In case I didn't, I'm going to give it again- NQT is, quite scummy, quite... let's say suspicious, and that's so obvious that if you're not going after him I'd like an explanation for why not.
Secondly: There's a point to that, but what if he's lying about the reads because he doesn't want town to win?
Thirdly: There are other lynch candidates, not necessarily better ones. Hm... (no, summing the scumminess is not valid logic.)
Tawarochir, could you explain why I shouldn't vote you for the weak scumhunting(and to pressure you a bit), sil vous plait? Of course, I don't(and shouldn't) use my vote for pressure, but still, why exactly should I not vote you?
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Anything else?
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I used to think that the mafia players producing the extremely large walls of text were beyond the normal abilities of humanity. It's easier than I thought, however. Just time-consuming.
Lidku hasn't been active since the beginning of the game and if he doesn't post by monday morning I'll replace him.
Let's hope for a more active player, yes?
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