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[Teneb]

Some time ago, DVNO proposed the following as a solution to the sparseness of sieges, as seen in the quote below:

For some reason in the entity files, PLAYER_FORTRESS is a functional site tag but no one uses them, not even Dwarves. Can setting the Goblins to only have a preference for player fortresses aid with the Siege drought in 40.24? 

setting [LIKES_SITE:PLAYER_FORTRESS] and removing all other preferences, even tolerance for an Entity's own default site, got me *a* siege in 40.24 at least. I don't know if that was just astronomical odds that I happened to get my only siege in six RL months with 40.24 while using those modded raws or not. Could never get it to happen again, but I haven't been playing DF much since then.

Some independent testing would be nice to have, I'd like to know if I'm going crazy or not.

As far as I am aware, sieges in the current version seem to be influenced by distance and whether or not the entity in question has a particular preference for the target site. If I said anything that is known to be wrong, please do say so.

If what I said above is correct, it may explain why there are so few sieges. Player sites use the PLAYER_FORTRESS token, rather than that used by the rest of the entity they are playing as. So, as suggested by DVNO, making an entity like PLAYER_FORTRESS will increase attacks. Or so I hope. I've yet to see any real testing on this, so I decided to try it myself.

What I am going to do is take the fortress defense mod, as it currently stand in its thread in Mod Releases, and add [LIKES_SITE:PLAYER_FORTRESS] and [TOLERATES_SITE:PLAYER_FORTRESS] to each entity. I will also do the same to standard DF humans, elves and goblins. I will then create two fortresses near as many civilizations as I can, which I will then try to keep alive for at least a few years. After those two are done, I will create another two, but this time in a position that is as far away from civilizations as possible while having them still remain in the neighbors menu. I will later compare it to a non-modded DF with only the changes stated above, and afterwards to a completely unchanged DF.

I will post the results here as they appear.

EDIT: The world was generated with advanced worldgen, medium region. The only changes were a 100 years of duration, minimum cavern water to 5, 2000 embark points and mineral scarcity to 1000.

As a bonus, the civilization I picked is dying to the point I got a warning about it.

[Zammer990]

PTW
Are you using the same world for each of the tests? or just generating two and placing your fortress near high-density areas?

[than402]

PTW

I wonder, if you give the token to your playable race may it also influence migration?

[Teneb]

PTW
Are you using the same world for each of the tests? or just generating two and placing your fortress near high-density areas?

I was going to, but now I am not sure.

PTW

I wonder, if you give the token to your playable race may it also influence migration?

I'll try and test that out when I'm done with what I established above. I'll probably repeat what you just suggested in the next version, since we'll have multi-species forts.

[Witty]

Sounds like a plan. Good luck!

[DVNO]

You could set a all siege triggers to 1 to speed up the tests, though I don't know how much that compromises the control portion of the test.   

[Meph]

You could set a all siege triggers to 0 to speed up the tests, though I don't know how much that compromises the control portion of the test.

0 disables them, they would never siege.

[DVNO]

Oooh, you're right.

edited, TY Meph

How about setting the pop requirements to 1 (20 Dwarves) and giving yourself 20 dwarves with DFHack command startdwarf 20?

[Teneb]

It is now the end of the second year and I've yet to see a single ambush or snatcher. I'll try to keep this fort going for as long as I can, but I won't be able to do any more forts for this tests due to real-life issues.

[Meph]

The easiest way for me to test sieges has always been spawning X amount of adamantine statues at the beginning with createitem, then crank up the FPS to 500 and activate nopause. Then wait.

As soon as a single trigger is breached, they will siege, you don't need exported wealther or lots of dwarves... just lots of value.

[Teneb]

The easiest way for me to test sieges has always been spawning X amount of adamantine statues at the beginning with createitem, then crank up the FPS to 500 and activate nopause. Then wait.

As soon as a single trigger is breached, they will siege, you don't need exported wealther or lots of dwarves... just lots of value.

I had quite a bit of created wealth (got lucky with a mood on year1 and spent the rest of the time with a legendary stonecrafter spamming crafts... even after he became king (which is interesting, because I thought kings couldn't work)), and even after 80 and placing the fort on the doorstep of a bunch of civs... nothing. I guess the only fix is waiting for the next version.

I suppose the current version is nice for making stuff like surface forts and megaprojects.