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[umiman]

Don't need a delay in Sword of the Stars, Sins of a Solar Empire, Master of Orion, Star Wars Empire at War, Distant Worlds, Galciv 2, etc etc etc

This is just Stellaris's usual imbecillic balancing decisions. "Hurr game must be balanced... We multiplayer eSports now".

It's not like the AI even gives a shit when you're priming and firing the weapon. It's not like they will plan a desperate response or rally the worlds to save their planet. You just sit there for an obnoxious amount of time.

If an ICBM took 12 months to reach a target, nobody would ever use it. The Death Star isn't awesome because it takes years to charge. A superweapon should be fearsome because it's a superweapon, it doesn't need to be fucking balanced.

The whole point of the weapon in the game is to end the fucking game. They have no problem with a psychic event on the game wiping out the entire Galaxy but oh no... Gotta balance mah planet destroyers.

[Mephansteras]

I have found the neutron wiper or whatever it is called handy against the Invading Swarm crisis. I can leave this one ship over a planet to cleanse it while my fleet fights off the swarm.

Other than that...yeah, not too sure what use it has. Maybe good against hiveminds, since you can clean off the pops rather than waiting for them to die off after you colonize it? Though that doesn't save you much time unless you have a colony ship ready to go once the planet is clear.

Overall...I'm underwhelmed. I'd rather they balance it by having it have a cooldown in between when it can be fired rather than having it take years to actually fire. Make it more strategic on when to use the superweapon.

[Paul]

Assimilators get the Nanobot Diffuser one. I assume it makes the planet immediately become yours, which seems like the best one by far. I just started an assimilator game and I intend to try it out.

[Culise]

Planet crackers are also useful if you want to put a ringworld in a particular system with a habitable world, since you can't build a ringworld in a system with habitable worlds for some reason (probably to deal with situations where you subsequently put a colony on the world before completing the ringworld, removing all planets in the system).  It's a bit of a fringe case, but it does exist. 

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Don't need a delay in Sword of the Stars, Sins of a Solar Empire, Master of Orion, Star Wars Empire at War, Distant Worlds, Galciv 2, etc etc etc

This is just Stellaris's usual imbecillic balancing decisions. "Hurr game must be balanced... We multiplayer eSports now".

It's not like the AI even gives a shit when you're priming and firing the weapon. It's not like they will plan a desperate response or rally the worlds to save their planet. You just sit there for an obnoxious amount of time.

The AI might not, but a player would (and hell, who's to say the AI won't in the future?).  This isn't a single player only game, after all, and if they had made the thing instant, can you imagine the bitching that would have resulted?

And of course the game needs to be balanced.  Not due to the multiplayer esports, but for the simple fact of reducing RNG screwing you completely.

They have no problem with a psychic event on the game wiping out the entire Galaxy but oh no... Gotta balance mah planet destroyers.

If you are referring ot the End of the Cycle, that can be fought off as long as you aren't the one to trigger it.  It is of course quite difficult, but it can happen.

[Teneb]

Only players can trigger the End of the Cycle, and only in single-player.

[umiman]

I wrote another large rant then I realized I was getting too worked up over this stupid-ass game I decided not too care too much about.

So meh. Whatever. Another stupid decision in Paradox's increasingly large bucket of stupid decisions.

[TalonisWolf]

I tried out the 2.0 Stellaris, and so far I'm liking it... despite the fact that one poor choice has bit me in the rear.

You see, early on, I saw an unidentified research vessel and decided I'd blow it up, slowing down whoever that was for a bit. Turns out they were an neighbor with the perfect ethos to turn into an ally... but I couldn't because of my thoughtless actions. I shrugged it off and went on with things.

A few decades later, someone hires the raiders to come at me, forcing me to run around with a 2.1k fleet avoiding a 5.1k fleet while trying to lure them to a Starhold. Mere days after that, the guys I'd messed with before first contact- remember them- declared war on me, answering who had hired them.

 Their fleets were about equal to mine. The ONLY advantage I have is that I have researched Starholds and they do not, plus I have researched up to cruisers and they haven't. In my own home systems, just against them, I'd be able to hold them off easily. With this raider fleet thrown in... if I lose, I'll accept it as karma biting me for my cruelty.

This sort of thing is why I play Stellaris. It isn't perfect- arguably it isn't finished- but it manages to be frickin' amazing anyways.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Forced Status Quo with War Exhaustion is here to stay.

Given some of the horror stories I've seen/heard with the beta, I'm on board with this change. War Exhaustion needs a lot of tweaking still but at least Paradox is working on it.

[ZeroGravitas]

yeah i think the problem with it is that it's instant, with little/no feedback to the player. making it start a 24-month timer is more reasonable.

[Cruxador]

So... Worst of both worlds basically.

[Loud Whispers]

So... Worst of both worlds basically.

Stellaris design philosophy in a nutshell

[Mephansteras]

I'll reserve judgement until I see it in action. Seems like a reasonable compromise between the two systems so far.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Forced Status Quo with War Exhaustion is here to stay.

Given some of the horror stories I've seen/heard with the beta, I'm on board with this change. War Exhaustion needs a lot of tweaking still but at least Paradox is working on it.

Haven't been paying too much attention to the paradox forums.  Care to give some examples?

[USEC_OFFICER]

The beta made it so that 100% WE gives you penalties instead of forcing a Status Quo Peace. The problem is that there was no real good middle ground for the penalties. Either everybody ignored them because they were too light, or they were so heavy that anyone suffering from them would be crippled. Which is really fun when you're at 100% WE and your enemies don't want to accept peace before they steamroll you. Or when other empires jump in against you because you can't fight back at 100% WE and so just get taken apart.

Basically they couldn't find a good middle ground for the penalties at 100% WE. Knowing how a lot of people play Stellaris, and other Paradox games, I doubt it exists too. Either people are going to ignore the short-term penalties for long-term gains or get stuck in frustrating situations where they want to make peace but can't do so without losing most of their empire.