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[Retropunch]

To clarify: Is it intended/planned for there to be a proper trade system at some point down the road? I ask because at the moment there's nothing to organically tie the empires together, or to each other, and it's something an otherwise great game glaringly lacks.

Not for Heinlein, but entirely possible in the future, yes (that is not a promise though).

*irritated sigh*

Agreed, it's one of the only ways to really be able to do the 'pacifist' route. That + espionage can lead to some very interesting play without actually having to go to war.

[forsaken1111]

I suspect they're saving it for an expansion, much like SOTS did where they introduced a trade system as an expansion feature and added a hell of a lot of depth to it

[Teneb]

I suspect they're saving it for an expansion, much like SOTS did where they introduced a trade system as an expansion feature and added a hell of a lot of depth to it

Knowing Paradox's model, the trading itself will probably be free, but the more detailed parts of it inside the paid part.


Has the AI been really unwilling to ally or confederate with any of you? In my current game, they refuse even if they love me. I've taken to pouncing any empire slightly weaker than mine and vassalizing them, integrating them later (my poor influence, though).

Also, what determines the "relative power of subjects" modifier? All my vassals have it in the -500s or so.

As an aside note, I think I've just seen a fallen empire go to town on a non-player empire who got a bit too enthusiastic about AIs.

[Retropunch]

I suspect they're saving it for an expansion, much like SOTS did where they introduced a trade system as an expansion feature and added a hell of a lot of depth to it

Knowing Paradox's model, the trading itself will probably be free, but the more detailed parts of it inside the paid part.


Has the AI been really unwilling to ally or confederate with any of you? In my current game, they refuse even if they love me. I've taken to pouncing any empire slightly weaker than mine and vassalizing them, integrating them later (my poor influence, though).

Also, what determines the "relative power of subjects" modifier? All my vassals have it in the -500s or so.

As an aside note, I think I've just seen a fallen empire go to town on a non-player empire who got a bit too enthusiastic about AIs.

Yeah I've had loads of times when the AI won't ally with me - I feel they put in some sort of artificial block so that you can't immediately roflstomp people in a huge alliance.

The relative power of subjects is where they're much weaker either in fleet, army or technology. If you scroll over them in one of the views you can see how they compare 'your fleet is superior in comparison' - I just tend to ignore it as anyone that I've vassalised will obviously be weaker.

[Teneb]

I'm wondering why it is a negative modifier, though. You'd think a weak subject would want to keep in line, while a strong one would not.

[Retropunch]

I'm wondering why it is a negative modifier, though. You'd think a weak subject would want to keep in line, while a strong one would not.

I think it's sort of trying to emulate being someones equal or their slave. I've always thought it was a bit strange though. I feel as though it should be negative if they're stronger than you, but everything else should be either positive or neutral.

[Baffler]

Maybe it's because they think that if you're much stronger than them, they're at risk of being annexed outright, diaspora'd, genocided, or some other terrible thing, so their opinion goes negative and they try to find someone to help them break away. If they're closer to equal with you though, they enjoy your protection but still have the strength to keep you honest. A stronger power would obviously want to break away. It is a little weird (you would think they'd resent being dragged into your wars, for example) but it isn't completely unbelievable.

[x2yzh9]

Actually I find it completely believable in my humble opinion. Just my idea, I think they're doing good with the game as it's actually modelling interstellar diplomacy and mechanics in a(to me)believable way.

[Teneb]

Don't get me wrong, I love this game. Also, the local Fallen Empire has currently had their compared strength level fall to just Superior, so I'm feeling pretty good with my campaign of vassal->integrate.

I wish I could get figure out a way to make more influence, though. My scientists die all the damn time at exactly 84 years of age.

Only two non-fallen empires are nearly equal to me, and they not only border each other, but also hate each other despite having the same ethos. (They're both evangelizing zealots, which explains it). Tachyon lances are also being researched, so I think only the Fallen Empire or end-game threats could really hurt me.

Some factions are getting uppity, but I think I'll just let them rebel and beat them down.

[ollobrains]

id like to see troop transports as an earlier game, its almost a grow set piece and not much early war is possible.  Which what is needed is a longer game, with a longer drawn out tech tree, i guess DLC will span the game out and up

[forsaken1111]

The thing that really stops early war is that the starting spaceports are almost unassailable with low tech fleets. Even so I've managed to pull it off a few times, but its quite costly

[Sirus]

Depends on what you consider "starting", I guess. Once found a pre-FTL civilization with a space station over its homeworld. It had a power of 6.

[forsaken1111]

Depends on what you consider "starting", I guess. Once found a pre-FTL civilization with a space station over its homeworld. It had a power of 6.

I meant wars between empires.

[Karnewarrior]

The thing that really stops early war is that the starting spaceports are almost unassailable with low tech fleets. Even so I've managed to pull it off a few times, but its quite costly

It's worth noting that strength in numbers comes into play a bit when dealing with space stations; they may deal massive damage, but they don't fire half as often, and can only deal at a maximum as much damage as one ship has HP.

Having about 10 corvettes will usually hit a space station pretty hard. Much more than that and they go down. it's a brutal battle, but it's definitely winnable without cheesing or breaking RP.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm wondering why it is a negative modifier, though. You'd think a weak subject would want to keep in line, while a strong one would not.

It would make sense if the modifier was applied based off of pop ethos

So fanatic militiarists for example would only respect their overlord so long as they had a superior strength, whilst adding xenophobic to their roster would make them chafe for independence against any weak overlord not of their species, stacking with opinion maluses from opposite ethos alignment
The inverse would then be true for pacifists who only respect an overlord actually capable of fighting their wars for them, whilst with xenophilic I think it would be cool upon the addition of better federation mechanics for xenophilic vassals to attempt to gain equal standing in their overlord's federation if their overlord joins one.