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[Flying Dice]

The real question I have is: how many $15-20 DLCs will we need to buy to access all of the game's core mechanics?

[Taricus]

Zero, any mechanics in a paid DLC is expansion mechanics.

[Zangi]

They get onto steam sales quickly enough...  so more accurately $7-12 DLC for the slightly more patient. 

But yea, its more mechanics expansion...  which if you consider CK2... the game would probably still not be out yet.  Development Hell indeed.

[Kot]

Unless it's core mechanic revised enough to be vastly more complicated than vanilla one.

[Knave]

Yeah, I'd be super surprised if this game were anywhere close to 1 month away.
Not that I'd complain if it did show up. 

But HoI4 has been in development forever, and is looking like it won't arrive any sooner than Q2.

[Majestic7]

Stellaris is coming 2016, but no way in hell it will hit spring. I'd guess autumn.

[scriver]

They get onto steam sales quickly enough...  so more accurately $7-12 DLC for the slightly more patient. 

But yea, its more mechanics expansion...  which if you consider CK2... the game would probably still not be out yet.  Development Hell indeed.

Worse, ck2 is long last the date where it's funding would've run out by now, it's running on DLC fumes these days. Without releases, it would've been cancelled years ago.

[Flying Dice]

Zero, any mechanics in a paid DLC is expansion mechanics.

Common. Sense.

[forsaken1111]

Zero, any mechanics in a paid DLC is expansion mechanics.

Common. Sense.

that was an expansion yes. :-D

[Majestic7]

I liked common sense...

Hmm, I wonder who we could collectively seduce with our sexy neckbeards to get some dworven planetary events in the game. Every game needs !!fun!!, like a planetary governor undergoing a fell mood and crafting magnificent furniture out of all the children in the colony.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

What Paradox needs to start doing with its DLC is packaging older DLCs together. The cost of entry is just too high for a new player even with 75% off and the old mega bundles that Amazon Digital and the like used to sell seem to have disappeared.

This is even more true for EU4 since a lot of the mechanics in the old expansions have been dummied out (look at American Dream and Res Publica). Folding together DLC like Conquest of Paradise and Wealth of Nations would go a long way in reducing that buy-in price.
New or potential players are either going to be completely turned off by the confusing miasma of DLC or just turn to piracy (which is insanely easy with Paradox games).

[Flying Dice]

Zero, any mechanics in a paid DLC is expansion mechanics.

Common. Sense.

that was an expansion yes. :-D

Maybe not one that people liked but it was an expansion.

I'm not sure why you two are being disingenuous about it. The free patch to vanilla which released alongside Common Sense implemented the changes to development, excluding only the mechanism by which players affected it, for which you had to pay through the nose.

Leaving that aside specifically, most Paradox DLCs are oriented around adding mechanics which should have been included in the base game (as opposed to content expansions, the traditional purview of expansion packs and DLC). The only one for EU4 that was solidly in the realm of "bonus extra content" was CoP.

[forsaken1111]

What did I say that was disingenuous?

[Mini]

Dice reckons it wasn't an expansion, and that you're being disingenuous about that.

[Leyic]

...adding mechanics which should have been included in the base game (as opposed to content expansions, the traditional purview of expansion packs and DLC).

If new mechanics aren't allowed in DLC, then every dev would have to push a sequel anytime they wanted to add something new. Then you'd either be complaining about how Paradox is charging full price for EU2016 when it doesn't have much of anything new compared to EU2015, or you'd be complaining about how the game has become stagnant, not having received any updates in the 2+ years since its release.