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Ozyton

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2016, 04:12:15 pm »

I definitely do still play this game every couple weeks, sometimes more. I'm not really pro but I'm about average, which is good enough for me.

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2016, 10:59:16 am »

I need to get back to playing this. Been too distracted with life, and when I do want to play, I don't really have anyone else to play against/with.

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2016, 01:18:29 pm »

Thing is, by this point, the few people who I do know that play the game are all at different skill levels, so playing together just makes things weird. I have a friend that just recently go the game and whenever I was in matchmaker with him we'd be put in games where either I'm basically the only one playing or we'd get dominated. Playing 3v3 solo still matches you up with pretty similar level opponents/teammates, fortunately. My problem with that is some people have... sub-par sportsmanship. Sometimes I feel certain players should stick with Legendary League and away from Rocket League. On the flip side I've met plenty of people who don't seem to mind someone happens to fail to save a goal in an unranked match, or start making snide comments, or just troll...

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2016, 09:21:08 am »

Thing is, by this point, the few people who I do know that play the game are all at different skill levels, so playing together just makes things weird. I have a friend that just recently go the game and whenever I was in matchmaker with him we'd be put in games where either I'm basically the only one playing or we'd get dominated. Playing 3v3 solo still matches you up with pretty similar level opponents/teammates, fortunately. My problem with that is some people have... sub-par sportsmanship. Sometimes I feel certain players should stick with Legendary League and away from Rocket League. On the flip side I've met plenty of people who don't seem to mind someone happens to fail to save a goal in an unranked match, or start making snide comments, or just troll...
Generally, so far, I've found some pretty chill people.  Hell, I even added a couple as steam friends.  Apparently they were in awe of my shitfaced goalie skills. 

Although I did come across one person who seemed to be perturbed that I was always playing goalie.  But, still, no comments about my sexual orientation or carnal activities with my mother yet.

EDIT:  Oh, and I'm still "semi-pro" at the moment.  Like level 15 or something?

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2016, 12:30:26 pm »

I don't necessarily think that playing goalie is a bad thing, considering it can sometimes save your team from getting scored on if the opposition gets a lucky break-away, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a little annoyed when we're on a huge offensive with the ball almost constantly in front of the enemy goal, and I look back to see one of our players sitting in our goal doing nothing.

I mean, scoring a goal is as good as blocking one, right?
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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2016, 12:59:59 pm »

Playing against teams with one player who literally only ever sits in the goal is frustrating as shit, tbh
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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2016, 01:34:29 pm »

Playing against teams with one player who literally only ever sits in the goal is frustrating as shit, tbh
And a very easy tactic to overcome with a little coordination. All you have to do is hit/demo them to keep 'em from blocking.

Having one of your teammates on what I call "disruption duty" is super useful when you're on on the offensive.

Alternatively, if you have boost to spare, you can make a relatively slow shot, then boost ahead and slam into the goalie before he blocks it. Then you just let the ball roll into the goal.
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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2016, 08:53:14 pm »

Concerning the whole goalie matter:
Having a goalie might work for some time but if you start playing more you will naturally drift away from having one. Considering that I played quite a lot take all of this as some kind of advice for the future or as an older guy teaching the kids. ( I am not pretending to be pro, I just think I am at a point where I mostly understand most of the game.)
First of all Nighthawk is right and kinda wrong. Yes getting destructions especially on the goalie is extremely powerful but I would strongly disagree with having a dedicated player to do so, for the same reasons I would never advise someone to be or have a goalie that does nothing else. It takes a player who could actually play instead. And don't get me wrong there will always be the guy who is more defensive but as soon as you get slightly better ( And I do not mean good just better) you will realise that rotation is the key in offensive and defensive play.
The most common used strategy or formation I witness at my Level is that you play 2 Offensive players with one "sub". The sub is staying back, normally around the midfield or a bit further back in his own half, if one of the offensive players runs out of boost, faces the wrong direction, looses all his momentum etc. he goes in and switches positions with him. That is something that is naturally working at my level without any communication needed.
If you want to know why, it's pretty simple. Your team is more flexible. 3 Players just rushing up and down the field are vulnerable to long shoots, while 1 goalie is to easy to catch out of position or outplay by just watching him. He got nowhere to go if he is already on his goal line.

And for the ones saying they only have friends who are better/worse:
Great, play with him. Yes, it will be hard at first, but you will get so much better so fast, it is not even funny.
If they are worse than you can truly check if you got your basics down, if he is much better and he is okay with doing the heavy lifting you can so much by observing and asking.

Well that was my "rant", sorry if it was unasked for or sounds as I would think I am a god at this game ( I am not  ;) ), but if someone would like to play I would always be down for some games no matter your level, just PM me here.
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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2016, 09:09:04 pm »

A lot of times I find myself playing defensively. If I think the enemy is going to hit the ball I back up, but if I think a friend is going to hit it I stay closer to center field or even somewhere between center field and the enemy goal (don't know the names of the field lines in soccar, sorry). If I think the ball is 'contested' or about to be cleared I sort of stay towards the side of the field since the opponents usually hit it along the wall or near it.

I haven't tried cycling out with teammates yet, well, not fully. If I see a teammate coming towards me I will move up to take his spot, but I get too caught up in trying to get the ball past enemies to cycle back myself. The amazing thing about this game is there's always something you could improve upon, you just need to identify what those things are. For me, what I'm trying to work on is getting used to analog controls. Usually when I flip I only flip in one of four directions, instead of more diagonal ones. This is mostly bad when rushing at the ball but it's to the side so I try to flip to the side but because the car doesn't swing outwards enough with just an aileron roll I just whip past the top of my car, where a diagonal roll would have hit with my trunk.

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2016, 08:59:14 am »

Concerning the whole goalie matter:
Having a goalie might work for some time but if you start playing more you will naturally drift away from having one. Considering that I played quite a lot take all of this as some kind of advice for the future or as an older guy teaching the kids. ( I am not pretending to be pro, I just think I am at a point where I mostly understand most of the game.)
First of all Nighthawk is right and kinda wrong. Yes getting destructions especially on the goalie is extremely powerful but I would strongly disagree with having a dedicated player to do so, for the same reasons I would never advise someone to be or have a goalie that does nothing else. It takes a player who could actually play instead. And don't get me wrong there will always be the guy who is more defensive but as soon as you get slightly better ( And I do not mean good just better) you will realise that rotation is the key in offensive and defensive play.
The most common used strategy or formation I witness at my Level is that you play 2 Offensive players with one "sub". The sub is staying back, normally around the midfield or a bit further back in his own half, if one of the offensive players runs out of boost, faces the wrong direction, looses all his momentum etc. he goes in and switches positions with him. That is something that is naturally working at my level without any communication needed.
If you want to know why, it's pretty simple. Your team is more flexible. 3 Players just rushing up and down the field are vulnerable to long shoots, while 1 goalie is to easy to catch out of position or outplay by just watching him. He got nowhere to go if he is already on his goal line.
It's interesting that you mention this, because I find myself gravitating toward being more of a mid-fielder kind of position.  I'll usually hang back on our side of the field, but I keep a full boost to be ready to shoot in a snipe at the ball if necessary. 

Now if my teammates would just keep out of my goddamn way and stop falling all over each other to try and keep touching the ball at all times ...

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Re: Rocket League
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2016, 09:55:09 am »

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Yes, yes, and yes. I agree with pretty much this whole post.
My own Rocket League theory is somewhat similar, actually:

I imagine the three players on the team as playing three different roles, which I call Pursuer, Opportunist, and Defender. Most people who start playing Rocket League fall into one of these roles, and then gradually learn the other two. A good player is capable of switching roles when necessary, and a good team will likely have every member switching constantly.

The Pursuer's job, plain and simple, is to hit the ball. A Pursuer should attack doggedly, hit the ball somewhat unpredictably (if possible), and prevent the enemy team from being able do anything with it. Once he's in an offensive position, he sets up the ball for a goal...

... so that the Opportunist can shoot. The Opportunist is the wingman of the Pursuer. His job is to sit a little further back, observe the field, and predict the movements of the players and the ball, attacking when the chance arises. He's the one who hits the ball when the Pursuer loses positioning, he's the one who scores when the Pursuer sets up the ball, and he's the first line of defense if the opposition begins a counterattack. If he fails...

... It's up to the Defender. This player stays far behind his teammates, in case the enemy goes on the offensive or gets a really lucky hit that heads for goal. A Defender is not a goalie, however; rather than stay in goal all the time, a good Defender will press an offensive advantage by moving forward, probably to near the middle of the field, and counter any attempt the opponents make to create a play, ensuring that the pressure stays on them constantly.


... That's my take on how the game plays, anyway. I've noticed that I tend to play Defender and Opportunist far more heavily than Pursuer, which is interesting, because I almost always play with a friend who is unquestionably a Pursuer. Did my play style evolve from the need to work well with his, or was it just fate?
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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2016, 07:37:40 pm »

I play mostly 2v2 ranked and I just got knocked back down to prospect elite... sort of like bronze I guess.

If you are sure how cycling works, start to pay attention to the second you lose the ball when going for a shot. You can lose the ball because you've centered it, because they hit it or because you messed up and got in front of the ball. You know for sure you've lost it when you start taking low probability jumps at it.

The second you lose the ball you have taken over defense and it is time to head to mid field.

Think about it this way. Most scores happen from the side with the ball following the wall and landing right in front of the goal. If you are the one who centered it you have to drive around and change the direction of the ball 90 degrees. This is very difficult because you and the ball are headed in roughly the same direction.

The guy sitting at mid field, however, is headed the direction he wants the ball to go. That makes the goal far easier for him.

Okay, now let's say you lost it one of the other ways. Either the team knocked it away or you just got ahead of it. Now you have to circle around and once again you are headed a direction you don't want the ball to go in while the guy at midfield is in a much better position.

That is how it is supposed to work in my opinion. When you have a team mate that doesn't do this at all, follow my backup rule. Stay half a field away from your team mate while they have the ball. What looks like a scoring opportunity for you can quickly become a scoring opportunity for them if they land a better ariel.

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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2016, 11:52:16 pm »

Just played this game at my friend's house. WOW, it's incredibly fun. The two of them basically played Striker & Attacking Midfielder (to use soccer terms) and I played Defensive Midfielder. Not really a goalie per say, but I'd lurk further back and disrupt enemy attacks and poach goals when the opportunity came about. The first time we all really played and we went something like 8-0-1 until we had to go home as it was getting late. We beat every opponent by at least 3 goals (our record of the night being a 7-1 stomp) until we got beat 3-4 in our second-to-last game. We rematched them to win something like 4-2. I'm deciding whether or not to purchase it for myself as I'm not really a great goalscorer as much as of a supporting player.

EDIT: To quantify it in Nighthawk's terms, I was playing half opportunist and half defender. Usually only going after the ball in the opposing half if I was closest.
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2016, 11:54:42 pm »

The game isn't about scoring goals, it's about having fun. Similar to some other game we've all heard of...

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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2016, 11:56:02 pm »

The game isn't about scoring goals, it's about having fun. Similar to some other game we've all heard of...

Indeed! I think I will pick it up.

EDIT: Goddamnit, not available on Mac yet.
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