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[Taricus]

Radar isn't too vital at the moment compared to other designs. We'd need to boost the performance of our infantry though, Rereading the jungle report.

[LordSlowpoke]

it's either the uniform or making a proper service rifle/refreshing the brumby, i believe

would the uniform take a full design phase, though?

[Taricus]

If we want to radically change it, yeah.

[evilcherry]

I feel there is some need on refreshing the Brumby or the Stallion.

Stallion, Brumby, Service rifle, SMG. We need one of them.

[Taricus]

The stallion I think would need a more radical rework, whereas the brumby would only need a revision.

[Kashyyk]

I didn't think we had any armour,  and I'd like to spend a design on it, as there's only so much improvement with revising only.

I agree about improved artillery though,  so the breaker gets a +1.

I did have a thought though: Rocket trucks. Mobile, and with less recoil than a gun. I expect them to have limited ammo, but that us what logistics and mobility is for.

[Taricus]

We do have two designs to work with here though, so it'd be prudent to use them to get back onto our feet now.

[evilcherry]

We have a main battle tank- at least, a good IFV, more akin to BMDs than tanks, but nevertheless some form of armored cavalry. We are designing the Breaker, so this front should be well covered for the moment. They should be designing a even more badass tank to counter our threat, but well.


I feel the revision should go to the Wasp. For some reason, their chain of hyphens got much better performance, even it don't look particularly maneuverable as drawn. We need a revision to restore some parity.

I too believe the Stallion needs urgent revision, or redesign. It has been firing a round which has become a relic of a bygone age, and to counter their MG threat we have to design a more badass MG.

Mustang Machine Gun: A Machine gun designed for a 4-men team, one carrying the gun, one carrying the mount, and the other two carrying ammo in belt form. It fires a .601 cal round, which is actually .60 but named so to remove confusion with similarly gauged ammo. Despite the similar caliber, it is in every way a modernized round rather than the .60 "horsekiller" which is an updated relic of a bygone age. It utilizes a bolt system not dissimilar to the Brumby, but we should have accumulated enough knowledge to make MGs no longer complicated. It also has a selective fire mode and in theory it can act as a makeshift sniper rifle in single shot.

Alternatively, it can also act as a vehicular autocannon, but as it cycles using its own gas there should be no need of a complicated motor assembly.

Other choices:
.60 Sniper rifle with scopes
.30 DMR with scopes

[Devastator]

How about a small artillery piece too?  I still want a mountain gun, and our existing 3.6" caliber would be about right for that.

The MK-Bravo Mountain Gun.  This piece, based on the shortened Bombardier of the T1 Smasher, is designed to break apart into pieces to be carried via horseback up mountains or through jungle.

Goal is to modernize the piece and aim to lighten it and perhaps improve accuracy some.  Should be designed for direct fire as well as indirect fire, as it might be needed as an improvised anti-tank weapon.  Rate of fire is not really important.



That said, modernizing the Stallion would be good as well.  Just don't forget, the new design should be shared with aircraft as well.

[evilcherry]

How about a small artillery piece too?  I still want a mountain gun, and our existing 3.6" caliber would be about right for that.

The MK-Bravo Mountain Gun.  This piece, based on the shortened Bombardier of the T1 Smasher, is designed to break apart into pieces to be carried via horseback up mountains or through jungle.

Goal is to modernize the piece and aim to lighten it and perhaps improve accuracy some.  Should be designed for direct fire as well as indirect fire, as it might be needed as an improvised anti-tank weapon.  Rate of fire is not really important.



That said, modernizing the Stallion would be good as well.  Just don't forget, the new design should be shared with aircraft as well.

I would rather prefer a stokes mortar than a mountain gun. We have our recoilless for direct fire.

[Devastator]

Also, as for a wasp redesign, I think we could go cheap, or go expensive.

Cheap, redesign the wasp with a new diesel engine, and sort out some of the inefficiencies of the chassis while retaining it to be semi-aluminum.  Add retractable landing gear, for instance.  Goal is to make it 2 ore 2 oil, or cheap.

Expensive, redesign the chassis to be all-aluminum, but keep the petrol engine, as we already have confirmation that it's a real winner.  Include a radio.  Double the armament, if possible.  Goal is 3 ore 3 oil, or expensive.

Both should be significantly better than our extant one, and maintain the speed advantage necessary for our aerial tactics.


As for alternatives to a mountain gun, go for it.  I'm open to alternatives.  I'm just not sure the recoilless would stand up to anything better than light armored, though, and am trying to think of the future.

[LordSlowpoke]

gunin suggested rocket artillery a while ago, but i don't think we'll particularly need it what with our new arty inbound to their positions

i also want to bring up the idea of the giant, capitol-bombing airplane that i want to see happen

we could also use the second design phase to make our new tank cheaper, equal to putting in two revise phases, if i read the mechanics right and proper

We have a main battle tank- at least, a good IFV, more akin to BMDs than tanks, but nevertheless some form of armored cavalry. We are designing the Breaker, so this front should be well covered for the moment. They should be designing a even more badass tank to counter our threat, but well.

mbt as a concept wasn't a thing until after ww2

if you want to go balls deep with armored cavalry, let's do helicopters

I feel the revision should go to the Wasp. For some reason, their chain of hyphens got much better performance, even it don't look particularly maneuverable as drawn. We need a revision to restore some parity.

I too believe the Stallion needs urgent revision, or redesign. It has been firing a round which has become a relic of a bygone age, and to counter their MG threat we have to design a more badass MG.

the wasp is okay mostly, i'd agree on a revision but we need to cut off production of our older planes in production phase and focus on pushing out the wasp and derivatives

stallion needed revision since before it hit the front lines (the slow turn rate made it bad at holding trenches well, and some armor would help against arstotzkans sniping the crew away)

Mustang Machine Gun: A Machine gun designed for a 4-men team, one carrying the gun, one carrying the mount, and the other two carrying ammo in belt form. It fires a .601 cal round, which is actually .60 but named so to remove confusion with similarly gauged ammo. Despite the similar caliber, it is in every way a modernized round rather than the .60 "horsekiller" which is an updated relic of a bygone age. It utilizes a bolt system not dissimilar to the Brumby, but we should have accumulated enough knowledge to make MGs no longer complicated. It also has a selective fire mode and in theory it can act as a makeshift sniper rifle in single shot.

Alternatively, it can also act as a vehicular autocannon, but as it cycles using its own gas there should be no need of a complicated motor assembly.

how exactly do you modernize a round, make it more aerodynamic?

and snipers are by design meant to be stealthy, our uniforms are unstealthy as hell much less four such uniforms with mg on top

vehicular autocannon is good, i'm okay with this, but historically a gas-operated autocannon has been harder to design than a motor-operated (it was better than motor though, spun up far faster - makes it great for aerial combat)

also, it would be great for us if we spent a design or revision phase doing theoreticals (science mostly - nuclear, electronics, if we focus enough we can get transistors before 1940 and transistors would revolutionize pretty much every vehicle we have)

[evilcherry]

Also, as for a wasp redesign, I think we could go cheap, or go expensive.

Cheap, redesign the wasp with a new diesel engine, and sort out some of the inefficiencies of the chassis while retaining it to be semi-aluminum.  Add retractable landing gear, for instance.  Goal is to make it 2 ore 2 oil, or cheap.

Expensive, redesign the chassis to be all-aluminum, but keep the petrol engine, as we already have confirmation that it's a real winner.  Include a radio.  Double the armament, if possible.  Goal is 3 ore 3 oil, or expensive.

Both should be significantly better than our extant one, and maintain the speed advantage necessary for our aerial tactics.


As for alternatives to a mountain gun, go for it.  I'm open to alternatives.  I'm just not sure the recoilless would stand up to anything better than light armored, though, and am trying to think of the future.

1. Diesel fighters is just a wrong combination. Its less responsive and heavier.
2. Thus we should make it more expensive. Maybe we should just make it all aluminium, iron its stability problems, and fit a new MG if we actually got to design one.
3. I can see the value of a pack gun, but we are really pinned back because of our lack of a modern and practical HMG.

[Iituem]

For another turn, someday:

AC1 Humpback: A diesel powered aircraft carrier, sporting stupidly huge, redundant engines, Stallion emplacements all across the bow, long range artillery and nice, long runways and hangars to support fighters and bombers.  Approximate crew 500.  Expense:  HAHA!  National Effort at the very least, sunshine.  This is a dreamboat, and nothing more.

[LordSlowpoke]

i'd +1 that, iituem

it actually solves the problem of having to cross the entirety of forenia to get to their capitol for bombing purposes fairly neatly