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Author Topic: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1935 Production  (Read 162840 times)

Andres

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1931 Revision
« Reply #2640 on: August 18, 2015, 05:34:06 am »

We only have a few things more to design before we design one of every thing that's useful. An assault rifle, body armour, and a grenade launcher are the only things left, I think.

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« Reply #2641 on: August 18, 2015, 05:36:11 am »

different sized ammo for a gun on a revision makes no sense, since at that point you are basically redesigning the whole thing from zero. Possible exception if we want to use smething SMALLER, for which we can use a sabot. But bigger? no way.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1931 Revision
« Reply #2642 on: August 18, 2015, 05:47:10 am »

We only have a few things more to design before we design one of every thing that's useful. An assault rifle, body armour, and a grenade launcher are the only things left, I think.

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We have an assault rifle (or well, something similar) and body armor, actually.
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« Reply #2643 on: August 18, 2015, 06:00:50 am »

We only have a few things more to design before we design one of every thing that's useful. An assault rifle, body armour, and a grenade launcher are the only things left, I think.

Glory to Arstotzka.
We have an assault rifle (or well, something similar) and body armor, actually.
An SMG is not the same thing as an assault rifle, otherwise they wouldn't be called assault rifles. Don't trivialise their existence like you did with SMGs. As for body armour, it only protects against flak and not against bullets. A full Design phase is necessary for something that can stop bullets but still be light enough for our troops to use.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1931 Revision
« Reply #2644 on: August 18, 2015, 06:05:46 am »

Sure, but don't trivialize the entire rest of the army. Our forces are more than just infantry.

At this moment, we have no Navy, only a tiny bit of outdated small artillery, no Infantry fighting vehicles, no heavy or light tanks, and no capable bomber interceptor (and our plane isn't doing great either).
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« Reply #2645 on: August 18, 2015, 06:31:20 am »

An assault rifle wouldn't be particularly useful to us, not until they get their own body armour at least. We have a tiny navy whereas Moskurg has none. A navy would be of questionable usefulness in any case. Our small artillery is as good as we can get it and thus its outdatedness doesn't matter. A light tank is a niche we don't particularly need to fill in. Our MV21s do well enough in the light combat vehicle role.

IFVs can't be used in the Jungle due to a variety of factors but they would be rather useful in the cities.
A heavy tank would let us win against their tanks every time but the extra armour may be a waste outside the Jungle due to their Hippos.
A bomber interceptor is just a fighter. Our current fighter does well enough as such considering they have no high altitude bombers of their own. Increasing its performance to match the Model 4's might make it too expensive as a result and such an ambitious revision might fail. Either a new design or focusing on quantity by making its engine more efficient will be necessary. Doing the latter might make our DB bomber more numerous and thus let us undertake significantly more precision strikes.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1931 Revision
« Reply #2646 on: August 18, 2015, 06:35:11 am »

we don't have a tiny bit of outdated artillery, we have an awful lot of outdated artillery.

Besides, ever since we increased range, the enemy artillery advantage became less prominent.

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« Reply #2647 on: August 18, 2015, 07:01:40 am »

Speaking of which, how is our artillery outdated? I'm rather confused on that point.

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« Reply #2648 on: August 18, 2015, 07:09:58 am »

Speaking of which, how is our artillery outdated? I'm rather confused on that point.

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I think it's the rifle breech that's outdated. If we can get a screw breech on it it'll be able to fire much faster, which would make it the perfect light/medium field piece(not sure how an 80mm would be classified)
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« Reply #2649 on: August 18, 2015, 07:22:16 am »

Well, there is a bunch of stuff we could do to increase accuracy or rate of fire. We also only have light artillery.

Our fighters sucks, the only redeeming quality being their number. We have some armor, but it is extremely vulnerable to their RR. Our optics are primitive.

And I actually think an IFV would work great in the jungle. Especially if we could make it amphibious.
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« Reply #2650 on: August 18, 2015, 07:23:46 am »

Well, there is a bunch of stuff we could do to increase accuracy or rate of fire. We also only have light artillery.

Our fighters sucks, the only redeeming quality being their number. We have some armor, but it is extremely vulnerable to their RR. Our optics are primitive.

And I actually think an IFV would work great in the jungle. Especially if we could make it amphibious.

Well amphibious would be a little ambitious, but an IFV wouldn't be that bad. Really, what design we do(ground or air) probably depends on what the turn looks like.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1931 Revision
« Reply #2651 on: August 18, 2015, 07:24:38 am »

Do we have an idea for the revision?
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« Reply #2652 on: August 18, 2015, 07:26:37 am »

Do we have an idea for the revision?

We're revising the pistol to be non-crappy, and if the engineers can swing it replace some parts with aluminum to decrease weight.
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« Reply #2653 on: August 18, 2015, 07:27:51 am »

fighter:            Kot
ammunition:     ebbor, Sheb
ghillie suit:      Andres
pistol:            tryrar, quake, VoidSlayer

Edited the votes. I still think we can do better than pistol, so I switched my vote.

If the pistol do get through, why don't we ask for hollow point bullets? They're the same used by our SMG, so we at least get something useful. And we need all the stopping power we have.
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« Reply #2654 on: August 18, 2015, 07:31:38 am »

fighter:            Kot
ammunition:     ebbor, Sheb
ghillie suit:      Andres
pistol:            tryrar, quake, VoidSlayer

Edited the votes. I still think we can do better than pistol, so I switched my vote.

If the pistol do get through, why don't we ask for hollow point bullets? They're the same used by our SMG, so we at least get something useful. And we need all the stopping power we have.

Good point. I'll add that to the list of things to do!

Pistol changes:First priority is to make it more reliable and fix jamming issues. Second is to add hollowpoint ammo. Third is to make it lighter(using aluminum where possible) and more accurate.
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