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[10ebbor10]

Updated again.

Anyway, let's focus on this, and discard the silly notion of gas.

Spoiler: revision proposals (click to show/hide)

Revise our dive bomber to use 2 Oil instead or 3 Oil. If fuel injection and/or turbo can help achieve that goal, include them. If they don't, exclude them. Highest priority is decreasing Oil cost.

Revision : Introduce HEAT rounds for our artillery, tank and rocket. This should give each of those a single-shot kill certainity on anything they design with less than extremely heavy armor. Uses a cap and fins to stabilize the projectile. If time is left, also develop APHE, and Canister shot.

Add rocket weapons to our planes. Improve the aerodynamics of our shaped charge shells as well, so they are useable.

Add rocket weapons to our vehicles. Get the forementioned shaped charge reshape as well.

rocket-assisted projectile ( uses experience from mortar to increase range of our artillery)

Ammo update

Hollow point bullets : Massive increase in low caliber, short range stopping power. All our infantry guns will become much more effective
Tracer : So far, our pilots and gunners have been guessing whether they were hitting or not hitting. The addition of tracers will make our air force massively better
Soft point bullets : Basically, a compromise between the normal bullet and the soft point bullet. Included here because I had no ideas for a third bullet, and it should be more compatible with our machine guns if any troubles do apply.

Spoiler: revision votes (click to show/hide)

Plane engines : Andres
Heat rounds:quake
RPG mounted on vehicles: Funk
Rocket assisted projectile: Andrea, Sheb, Kot
Ammunition : Ebbor, Tryrar, 9/10 doctors

Also, I asked if we're Christian (Orthodox maybe?) and if we have lots of mercury.

Why do you want to know? Ore represent mining effort, so we probably have it.

[Kot]

Why do you want to know? Ore represent mining effort, so we probably have it.

I'm going to quote a book I've read once (Polish one, so I translate it by myself really)...

- Don't you know that using bullets that explode after hitting the body is forbidden? – he could not stand it. – Why are you cutting bullets on the cross?!
Mielczarek slowly raised his head from above the vice.
- Well, I cut it like that because I'm a Christian, Sir – he replied calmly. – I belive in God, and cross his sign is.

Also, if we want real bad bullets, we should partially fill the hollow space with mercury. Upon hitting the body it essentially explodes, and mercury is poinsonous so if the enemy somehow manages to not die from thousands of small pieces of steel in him, he's going to have some poisoning.

I still vote for RAP tho.

[Funk]

So Day of the Jackal bullets then.

[Kot]

So Day of the Jackal bullets then.

Yeah, that's apparently where they gained popularity in West (with lot's of people (Mythbusters even, as people on internets say) trying to make them and failing, resulting in people considering it another fiction thing like ice bullets) though they were apparently researched (sorry for being Polocentric, they may have been researched by others too, but I dunno) by Polish Second Department (the spy guys of II RP) and later (earlier?) Russians, which resulted in explosive bullets which used mercury (but they were quite hard to create, as they needed very precise manufacture) or later mercury fulminate (or something, but AFAIK, this is confirmed to work), so they're pretty popular in Polish books which include shooting Germans, Russians or other people.

[andrea]

we need to break the tie. Moskurg thread just changed title to production, which I assume means Sensei is making revisions.

lets make a case for our proposals.

RAP
+extends range of our artillery, will be available to all future artilleries we build
+rocket experience. This is useful even if we switch from conventional artillery to rocket artillery

-seems fairly complex
-may reduce payload

Ammo update
+increase in all small arms
+increase in the air accuracy
+easy

+- does not directly counter any problem we have, or fulfill any immediate need ( neutral point)

-hollow point is banned in warfare. This may have diplomatic consequences. Can't we think of any round that isn't illegal?

[Kot]

No tie though? The third "person" voting for ammo is a joke really.

[Sensei]

Moskurg guys, y'all take a break from rabble-rousing in the AS thread, mkay? At best it just clutters up the actual design debate, put inter-faction stuff in the OOC.

Rocket-Assisted Shells: An artillery shell with rocket propellant in it! Ignites from the heat of firing. A bit inaccurate, due to being a shell and lacking more elaborate in-air stabilization than a forward center of mass, but flies around 50% further than a standard shell. Available for 50mm DT25 rounds and 80mm AS-1912 rounds.

[andrea]

oh... we got the shell also in tank cannon form.
Not sure how much good it does but still... also, +50% range on any big gun we make is quite a big deal.

I guess we are becoming experts in rocketry.

Excellent

[10ebbor10]

Moskurg guys, y'all take a break from rabble-rousing in the AS thread, mkay? At best it just clutters up the actual design debate, put inter-faction stuff in the OOC.

Rocket-Assisted Shells: An artillery shell with rocket propellant in it! Ignites from the heat of firing. A bit inaccurate, due to being a shell and lacking more elaborate in-air stabilization than a forward center of mass, but flies around 50% further than a standard shell. Available for 50mm DT25 rounds and 80mm AS-1912 rounds.

Uhm, aren't our guns all rifled? That would mean it's spin stabilized. Doesn't matter that much, I guess.

[Kot]

We should beat Russians to space and Americans to the moon.

[andrea]

@ebbor hence 'a bit' rather than 'wildly' I assume.

It still is a shell with a rocket on the underside. a bit inaccurate is a great achievement. especially considering that cannon artillery isn't quite the field of snipers to begin with.

edit: To the moon!

[10ebbor10]

It still is a shell with a rocket on the underside. a bit inaccurate is a great achievement. especially considering that cannon artillery isn't quite the field of snipers to begin with.

Our tank destroyer is currently playing sniper.

[Kot]

For good measure, a cross is added to every joystick to exorcise malevolent spirits.

So we're Christian or something. Order our soldiers to cut crosses on our bullets in free time, to stop malevolent spirits from reducing accuracy of our fire.

[10ebbor10]

Doctrine changes :

Air:

Currently, we've been utilizing our airforce as one integral unit, with fighters escorting bombers. No more.

Fighters will make deep sweeps into Moskurgian territory, hunting down Moskurgian fighters and identifying air bases, maybe strafing at targets of opportunity.

Bombers will operate in close support with local ground forces, providing agressive fire support were needed.


Desert :

Organize tanks in dedicated armored groups, complete with armored car support. Our numerical superiority and communication advantage mean that we will greatly benefit, and always outnumber enemy tanks. Their Rhino isn't that effective, so in the open desert our tanks and vehicles should be able to cut through and overpower our formations with ease.

Mountains

We have extra range shells, right? Shove a few cannons on a train, start shelling enemy positions.

Jungle

We control the roads. Mine the rest

[Kot]

stuff

Don't forget the crosses. Also, our vehicle crews should could carry RPGs with fragmentation rockets.

And, what we have finally agreed on to sell to the Chinese? And give to British?
The Chinese should get our old AS-1910s, possibly even give them all our remaining AS-1910 Mags, as we have 1924s for that now.
The Commies should get our RPGs or Grenades or Mortar.

Give Brits whatever, but it must be in tiger stripes.