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[Sensei]

As Kot likes, to say, HOLY GOD EMPEROR ELEVEN REPLIES???

I hope you added a zero to much to that.

nope. I did say I wanted to remove cities. lets outdo the barrel size obsessed germans.

Actually, lets outdo the gun nuts of Jules verne's "from the earth to the moon". lets make a 20 m cannon!
aiming that might be troublesome...

edit: in case it is not clear, this is meant in jest.

Heh, my immediate though at the notion of a 3000mm gun was "Arstotzka launches first successful satellite, 1930. Consists of large block of lead."

Also, while reading up on armor, I found this book on body armor as a citations, which will no doubt be of interest, especially if you're wanting to make body armor for your troops, but it seems to have better-organized information about body armor in our period of history than I can easily find on the internet.

And yes, I said before that you needed to make scopes during the design phase, but you could make a new gun to put the scopes on at the same time. That gun certainly could be an assault rifle, but it would make for a very ambitious design phase.

[10ebbor10]

We don't really need to.

In the desert , the primary push came from better radio and artillery support
In the mountains, their sniper was important, but with support from automated weaponry
In the Jungle,  it's automated weaponry all the way.

Also UR, we're not losing the mountains. Once they near our mines, they have to face serious armor support.

[Aseaheru]

Editing this post. Dont noone ninja me with one. Particularly not a sissy 12.7mm gun.

Comeon Andres! Dont ninja me when I ask/tell you not to!

He did? Well, herere comes a big ol' sniper weapon!

Editing this post. Dont noone ninja me with one. Particularly not a sissy 12.7mm gun.

Also: Dang ninja

-Edit-

Spoiler: AS-AMR-29 (click to show/hide)

 A single shot, bolt action anti-material rifle (more of a light cannon) using the same rounds as the AS-AC18 (20x100mm). The gun operates in a manner similar to the old Nosin single, mostly to keep weight down. To save further weight much of the weapon is made of aluminum. The weapon is to feature an integrated bipod, a muzzle brake, and a telescopic sight (preferably 20x) inorder to take advantage of the power of the 20x100mm round (aswell as to hopefully keep the sniper out of the range of the enemies DMRs).

 While this weapon will be of low use in urban and jungle fighting, on the desert and in the mountains it should prove useful. And yes, it is rather heavy, but it does keep us from needing to get a new round, is not the most insane anti-material rifle out there (theres one firing 20x105mm, aswell as the various semi automatic and automatic 20x~mm AT rifles). And, hey. Telescopic sights.

 Also, I cant say I am not somewhat irked that they beat us to optics.

 Also, what do we want to do for the Chinese? Supply the communists, and cement our reputation with the Russians (and then ruin it by stealing a spy) or go with the nationalists and get in the good graces of 'Murica?

 Oh, and can we reverse engineer their code machines? Make our owh copies, supplied with their own keys? Or should we just hand out one-time pads to everyone with a radio, each individualized?

[andrea]

well. I am going to sleep so I'll let you discuss the most appropriate choice.

However for the revision

revise our radio to have proper encryption like that of our enemies ( or better!)
because them listening to us is a way too big advantage.

[Kot]

scoped assault rifle is a bad idea. Too many potential failures.

Exactly. Assault rifle aren't even accurate enough to put a scope on.

Bullshit, this isin't some FPS game, being an assault rifle doesn't make a gun unnacurate.

AS-GB29 - motor gunboat armed with a turret taken from T25 and capable to carry marine infantry.

Needs more firepower in form of rocket artillery though. It can be made before or after the boat.

Spoiler: AS-FP-29 (click to show/hide)

Cheap wooden utility\light-bomber floatplane byplane. Has only one nose mounted 7.62mm gun for self-defence. Uses silent engine and can glide for prolonged amount of time to avoid being detected. Can carry supplies, drop light bombs(including incendiary) and deploy paratroopers. Can have on board radio. Can be used outside of frontlines as light transport (fraction of logistics point?) Costs up to 2 ore, 2 oil. If time permits, develop cranes for CV-22 that will allow them to pick up the plane out from the sea. l

- bringing airforce to jungles

No. Same reasons as glorious Fi-29. ;_;

As for holding mountains....
I think that there other ways to counter that scopes if we choose this route. No need to counter their advantages with exact copy.

Like?

Also, guys, we don't really need to be very quick with it. Did Moskurgians even react in their thread?

FUCKITY FUCKITY FUCK NEW POST NEW POST
Also, I'm not sure if revision of radio will cut it. We can at least try to be creative with it though.

[andrea]

A revision will cut it, since that is what they used on their own radio.

[Kot]

Don't we maybe happen to have natives who use really obscure language on our part of island? Dunno, polar-bear people?
Also, it did? I don't really pay much attention to pitful Moskurgian attempts of making something useful.

[Andres]

Spoiler: AS-AMR-29 (click to show/hide)

 A single shot, bolt action anti-material rifle (more of a light cannon) using the same rounds as the AS-AC18 (20x100mm). The gun operates in a manner similar to the old Nosin single, mostly to keep weight down. To save further weight much of the weapon is made of aluminum. The weapon is to feature an integrated bipod, a muzzle brake, and a telescopic sight (preferably 20x) inorder to take advantage of the power of the 20x100mm round (aswell as to hopefully keep the sniper out of the range of the enemies DMRs).

An AM rifle won't be nearly as useful against infantry as a regular sniper rifle, which is where we're currently lacking. We have enough AT weapons in the forms of our RPGs and tank destroyers.

In the Jungle,  it's automated weaponry all the way.

You're saying their cheap Cascade was actually useful? But that's impossible! Aseaheru himself said that revising our MC16 was a massive waste of time with no tactical benefit! Shit, if only there were someone around here who could've told us a cheap SMG would've been useful all along.

A revision will cut it, since that is what they used on their own radio.

Exactly.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Ways to kick their ass in mountains.

1) Air to land rockets usable by our bombers and that old cheap triplanes
2) Mountain howitzer
3) 20*100mm heavy sniper rifle to outrange their sniper rifles
4) New mortar
5) RPG-2. Larger caliber, longer range (Bonus: will help to get +1 ore for 3 turns)
6) Nimble air-superiority\strafing aircraft to clear the skies and let our dive bombers bomb more easily. + strafing  enemy in narrow mountain passes
7) New 12*100mm machinegun (bonus: can help to win the expense credit if we manage to keep it cheap)

[10ebbor10]

Spoiler: AS-RA120 (click to show/hide)

An improvement on our rocket technology. This modular rocket artillery system consists out of a battery of  12 120 mm artillery rockets, which can be fired in quick succesion. The modularity of the system allows it to be installed on any weapon system we have, from a mere 12 on our armored car, to over a hundred on our armored trains

You're saying their cheap Cascade was actually useful? But that's impossible! Aseaheru himself said that revising our MC16 was a massive waste of time with no tactical benefit! Shit, if only there were someone around here who could've told us a cheap SMG was useful all this time.

It wasn't the cascade, as that one never became expensive. It was the rest of their automated weaponry.

[Andres]

1) Air to land rockets usable by our bombers and that old cheap triplanes
2) Mountain howitzer
4) New mortar
5) RPG-2. Larger caliber, longer range (Bonus: will help to get +1 ore for 3 turns)
6) Nimble air-superiority\strafing aircraft to clear the skies and let our dive bombers bomb more easily. + strafing  enemy in narrow mountain passes

You obviously haven't been paying attention. The battle reports have stated multiple times that artillery is either useless or significantly less useful than small arms in the Mountains. Our planes and mortars have had only limited success in the Mountains at any point in time while any new advances in small arms has been a great success for whoever made the advancement.

3) 20*100mm heavy sniper rifle to outrange their sniper rifles

We don't need to outrange their sniper rifles, we just need to be more accurate. Moreover, a 20mm sniper rifle is way, way overkill. What you're talking about isn't even an AM rifle, it's an AT rifle. It's of limited usefulness against tanks but not infantry, especially considering the enemy's ability to suppress us.

7) New 12*100mm machinegun (bonus: can help to win the expense credit if we manage to keep it cheap)

Like our 1910, it would be too heavy to use in the Mountains.

Glory to Arstotzka.

You're saying their cheap Cascade was actually useful? But that's impossible! Aseaheru himself said that revising our MC16 was a massive waste of time with no tactical benefit! Shit, if only there were someone around here who could've told us a cheap SMG was useful all this time.

It wasn't the cascade, as that one never became expensive. It was the rest of their automated weaponry.

IMoskurg still makes very prolific use of the Cascade, and has an advantage in infantry fights in the jungle which tend to be at close-medium range.

Exactly how many direct battle report quotes do I need to submit before the usefulness of the SMG becomes apparent to you guys?

[Kot]

1) Air to land rockets usable by our bombers and that old cheap triplanes
2) Mountain howitzer
4) New mortar

Can be combined in a simple rocket artillery. Germans mounted Nebelwerfer rockets on their planes, after all.

Spoiler: AS-RA120 (click to show/hide)

An improvement on our rocket technology. This modular rocket artillery system consists out of a battery of  12 120 mm artillery rockets, which can be fired in quick succesion. The modularity of the system allows it to be installed on any weapon system we have, from a mere 12 on our armored car, to over a hundred on our armored trains

I am against anything emulating Russian Katyusha. Nebelwerfer style six-shooter 150mm rocket launcher would be better, as it would be actually more portable, maybe even allowing us to use it in mountains, not to mention that it could be mounted on other vehicles like Katyusha too.

[Aseaheru]

 I dont think anyone of us has ever said that SMGs are useless. Just that handing every fucking soldier we have one is useless, or atleast of less use than developing something else instead.

 That said, I think that it is getting to the time when we should develop a new SMG. Perhaps utilizing some of the more interesting tricks SMGs use, like telescoping bolts a few dozen years ahead of time.

-edit-

 For clarification, I am NOT saying we should do that this year, or even in the next few. Just in the next 10 or so years, whenever we can get the time.

[tryrar]

Telescoping bolts aren't actually new, the M1911 used it. And the first SMG to use it was done in 1948, so it could be something we could attempt.

[Kot]

Can't we just, like, divert SMGs from plains or mountains and send them to jungle or something?