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Author Topic: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1935 Production  (Read 159627 times)

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1980 on: August 10, 2015, 01:14:36 pm »

umm, 500-1000t displacement is your standard destroyer size, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
What. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Real destroyers as we're discussing start from about 1300t displacement (inter-war) up to 4000t (late WW2). The 500t displacement was only a thing before WWI, and those were real shitty when it came to actual fighting.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1981 on: August 10, 2015, 02:06:54 pm »

We wanted a cannon on that ship, but didn't get it, so it cannot really be used for any reason. Please all insist that we send our cargoes loaded with mortar teams to harass their rear.
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« Reply #1982 on: August 10, 2015, 02:11:15 pm »

Nope, we don't. They have high caliber artillery and aviation and tanks. If cargo ship will approach enemy shore close enough to fire mortar - it will be annihilated.
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« Reply #1983 on: August 10, 2015, 02:13:25 pm »

Who cares? It's a diversion. :p
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1984 on: August 10, 2015, 02:16:12 pm »

We wanted a cannon on that ship, but didn't get it, so it cannot really be used for any reason. Please all insist that we send our cargoes loaded with mortar teams to harass their rear.
By the Throne, no, don't, stop. This is stupider than making a new ship.
An merchant ship with mortars and no matter how many AA guns will die so hard to their airplanes and counter-barrages that I can't even express it. It's just 60 meter long unarmoured, exploding (steam boilers, ammunition) practice target for everything they have. You could kill it with their damn MGs! And we have only one (If I understand that right), so when we lose it (and even arm it with mortars), we will lose our additional logistics.
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« Reply #1985 on: August 10, 2015, 02:23:54 pm »

What? No, it's expensive, and Sensei was pretty clear that combat use and logistic bonus are entirely separate. And there is no penalty for loosing some units.
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« Reply #1986 on: August 10, 2015, 02:27:29 pm »

What? No, it's expensive, and Sensei was pretty clear that combat use and logistic bonus are entirely separate. And there is no penalty for loosing some units.
Yeah? Well, that changes... nothing.
It's still a very dumb idea. Like, send unarmored trucks to assault enemy bunkers-level dumb.
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« Reply #1987 on: August 10, 2015, 02:32:04 pm »

Nope, it is not a national effort but sending cargoships on suicide missions is still not the brightest idea.

I think only 4 types of vessels have any sense:

1) Motor gun boat aka swimming tank
2) Amphibious landing craft
3) Shore bombardment vessel
4) Aircraft carrier

1 and 2 can be combined, 3 needs large guns we don't have, 4 is too complex unless we use floatplanes
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« Reply #1988 on: August 10, 2015, 02:37:46 pm »

Well, a 1-2 combo might be good for next turn.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1989 on: August 10, 2015, 02:42:13 pm »

1) Motor gun boat aka swimming tank
2) Amphibious landing craft
Only if it's like actual swimming tank. The proposed small gunboats are way too underarmored for fighting an enemy who has pretty good tanks too. Actually, we may even use tank parts in them, just like Soviets and their river boats with tank turrets.  The problem of good artillery on them arises, but it may be removed if we create rocket artillery and mount in on those, just like Soviets.
3) Shore bombardment vessel
4) Aircraft carrier
I'm not sure if an aircraft carrier could be of lot's of use, but we could revise our cargo ships to have an crane (which they may already have) and space in cargo bay for floatplanes, possibly more AA guns. Things like that existed, and were actually useful (unlike merchantman gunboats).

EDIT: Also, we may consider making new train engines in future. Steam ones are good for now but by the middle of WW2 we should have better ones, of course if we have a design turn to spare.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1990 on: August 10, 2015, 03:19:41 pm »

Thats only if we dont do a bit more work on steam engines. Thesedays, steam engines can be more powerful than diesel.
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« Reply #1991 on: August 10, 2015, 03:21:56 pm »

There is no real need to improve our trains until we have more ressources to bring home. One the other hand, the AS-RPG28 might just be what we need to grab the mountains.
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« Reply #1992 on: August 10, 2015, 03:23:28 pm »

Although we couldent really get resources from there without building giant tracks thru the mountains.

I wonder... How are the trainlines thru the plains? Can we get resources out that way?
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1993 on: August 10, 2015, 03:26:26 pm »

Although we couldent really get resources from there without building giant tracks thru the mountains.

I wonder... How are the trainlines thru the plains? Can we get resources out that way?
Proably in horrible state thanks to numerous craters and trenches running through them.
We could get cargo planes or something. Lot's of small cargo planes so when they get shoot down we don't lose a lot. Small cargo planes like AS-FI-29...
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1928 Production
« Reply #1994 on: August 10, 2015, 03:28:10 pm »

Well, we are already getting the ressources from the plain.

I guess we could improve train to get ressources from the plains and send our trucks in the mountains.
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