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[andrea]

nice list of designs. I am not going to commit to a proposal until we see the effects of next turn, but there are a couple of designs I am interested in.

As for the personnel carrier.... do you think we can make it work as a scout?

(I am eager to see the effects of more tanks and widespread RPG. I also wounder what they made to counter us. Perhaps they finally finished their flamethrower tech?)

[tryrar]

Out of all of those, assuming nothing goes wrong and we have to design to counter whatever they do, I'd prefer a boat. I mean, we're the only ones with boats, so let's press that advantage. Maybe a ship powered with a marine diesel big enough to carry 1-2 1912a's for shore bombardment and ship protection?(Would also be a good way to develop engine tech further by going for diesel as well. Think on what we can do with turbodiesels!)

[andrea]

I am a bit partial to rocket artillery. We are the only ones with proper rocket tech, we might want to press the advantage.

but the boat does give us an advantage in the jungle, which is the front giving us most trouble.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: AS-FP-29 (click to show/hide)

Cheap wooden utility\light-bomber floatplane byplane. Has only one nose mounted 7.62mm gun for self-defence. Uses silent engine and can glide for prolonged amount of time to avoid being detected. Can carry supplies, drop light bombs(including incendiary) and deploy paratroopers. Can have on board radio. Can be used outside of frontlines as light transport (fraction of logistics point?) Costs up to 2 ore, 2 oil. If time permits, develop cranes for CV-22 that will allow them to pick up the plane out from the sea. l

Just throwing it in for discussion.

We have fighters and bombers but we have no utility aircraft. Floatplanes are great for utility because they can land at any river\lake\shore and snow.

[tryrar]

I counter with:

Spoiler: AS-DN-29 (click to show/hide)

A steel hulled gunboat/light destroyer that mounts 2 new 130mm guns as a primary armament, one forward and one aft(mounted so they can each turn 240 degrees), plus 4 twin-linked AC18s for self-defense against air and close-in targets. It has a new turbo-powered marine diesel engine, light armoring all around(to stop up to M1 stallion bullets at all but close range), and displaces no more than 500 tons at the most. It also has a radio. Focus should be on reliability, speed, and seakeeping ability, with cost being a secondary concern.

Edit:Now that our tank is simply Expensive, if we are still producing out t15s, STOP. We don't need them anymore, for any reason. Our MAT-50's can fulfill their defensive role, and our tanks are MILES better than that steam-powered POS.

[Funk]

An Autogyro would be off great use in the jungle as they need much shorter runways.
There good for spotting, hovering and fitted with a few RPGs or an auto cannon anti tank attacks.

[Kot]

7) Katyusha-like artillery
+ negates their artillery advantage somewhat

What we would want is Nebelwerfer, not Katyusha. Katyusha is big, it has to be mounted on truck, Nebelwerfers could be dissasembled and used in mountains (so they would serve also as mobile artillery), also mounted on trucks like Katyushas.
Instead of a floatplane biplane or an autogyro I propose light liason/bomber high-wing monoplane.

Spoiler: AS-FI29 (click to show/hide)

AS-FI29 is a small, high wing monoplane 2-seater liason aircraft, capable of carrying another 4 people in cargo compartment or up to 200kg bombs. Only it's frame is built out of metal, the rest is made of cloth and wood. It uses 9 cylinder engine, similar to the one used in AS-DB-HF-23, but upgraded with lastest technology. It's only weapon is AS-1924 machine gun mounted behind crew cabin.The plane is capable of extremly short takeoff and landing, 60m and 20m respectively. The plane can be used as officer (spy) transport, air ambulance, light cargo(including mail and ammunition) delivery and battlefield reconnaissance. Equipped with radio by default.

Basically nice all-around Fi-156 (I'm not shitting you about the takeoff and landing distances, Fi-156 could manage to land backwards when wind was right), theoretically more useful than a hydroplane because it can be used basically everywhere. I refuse to accept that we can't make 60m clearings in the jungle, or that there are none for that matter. Also, the Charles Carpenter guy someone mentioned before, the one who was raining bazooka fire on Germans during WWII was using what was basically an American version of Fi-156.
EDIT: Also, as for armed autogyros...
They tried that, but it was quickly deemed that autogyros are way too unstable to be useful in any form of combat, sans innacurate bombing maybe, and even then they would be very, VERY, VERY easy prey to enemy AA guns, even the pintle mounted ones.

[tryrar]

7) Katyusha-like artillery
+ negates their artillery advantage somewhat

What we would want is Nebelwerfer, not Katyusha. Katyusha is big, it has to be mounted on truck, Nebelwerfers could be dissasembled and used in mountains (so they would serve also as mobile artillery), also mounted on trucks like Katyushas.
Instead of a floatplane biplane or an autogyro I propose light liason/bomber high-wing monoplane.

Spoiler: AS-FI29 (click to show/hide)

AS-FI29 is a small, high wing monoplane 2-seater liason aircraft, capable of carrying another 4 people in cargo compartment or up to 200kg bombs. Only it's frame is built out of metal, the rest is made of cloth and wood. It uses 9 cylinder engine, similar to the one used in AS-DB-HF-23, but upgraded with lastest technology. It's only weapon is AS-1924 machine gun mounted behind crew cabin.The plane is capable of extremly short takeoff and landing, 60m and 20m respectively. The plane can be used as officer (spy) transport, air ambulance, light cargo(including mail and ammunition) delivery and battlefield reconnaissance. Equipped with radio by default.

Basically nice all-around Fi-156 (I'm not shitting you about the takeoff and landing distances, Fi-156 could manage to land backwards when wind was right), theoretically more useful than a hydroplane because it can be used basically everywhere. I refuse to accept that we can't make 60m clearings in the jungle, or that there are none for that matter. Also, the Charles Carpenter guy someone mentioned before, the one who was raining bazooka fire on Germans during WWII was using what was basically an American version of Fi-156.
EDIT: Also, as for armed autogyros...
They tried that, but it was quickly deemed that autogyros are way too unstable to be useful in any form of combat, sans innacurate bombing maybe, and even then they would be very, VERY, VERY easy prey to enemy AA guns, even the pintle mounted ones.

Eh, until we take the mines we probably don't NEED an aircraft like that(though it would be useful to have). I will say if we do take the mines this turn I'll probably support it-either that or getting diesel trains, whichever helps exploit the ore.

[Kot]

And we won't really need a ship ever, unless Moskurgans make their own.

[tryrar]

Shore bombardment is a thing you know . Seriously, even if they never make anything to threaten our ships, having an armed vessel would still be useful if only as a distraction for their forces, and would likely be able to nail enemy positions from offshore.

[Kot]

Shore bombardment is a thing you know . Seriously, even if they never make anything to threaten our ships, having an armed vessel would still be useful if only as a distraction for their forces, and would likely be able to nail enemy positions from offshore.

Our ship was not even mentioned, IIRC, even if it has an autocannon that could do something. The main problem with ships fighting ground forces is exactly what you think is it's main selling point, practically any ship we can field can be easily destroyed by their artillery, planes or even tanks.

[tryrar]

Our ship isn't mentioned because it is a CARGO ship. The autocannon is to protect it from planes bombing them to disrupt the CARGO supply. A CARGO ship is not a combat ship and isn't used on the front lines, it carries CARGO around to help with our logistics. Notice a pattern there?

[Aseaheru]

 We did say that we wanted to use it to dump troops behind enemy lines when we where designing it. Also using it as a floating arty platform.

 Oh, and I would like to show you Q-Ships.

[Kot]

No, nah. Don't do this. Any ship smaller than a destroyer will be useless unless they get an navy of their own.
I don't know if it's a wooden or steel ship, but in any case it's far too weak and small to survive any attack from their artillery, planes or even tanks and heavy small-arms fire. Sure, it might have good AA protection, but we would still have to be lucky to survive a bombing run or counter barrage from land. And they have to get lucky only once.
EDIT:
Also, as you may have read, Q-Ships were supposed to fight submarines and other pirates, not shell enemy positions with artillery.

[tryrar]

umm, 500-1000t displacement is your standard destroyer size, I'm not sure what you're talking about.