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[Kot]

i have a hardon over carbines

Hey, I just got an idea... we have our AS-F14A rifle which is said to be available in carbine version. Revise the carbine one to include auto-fire and possibly a smaller cartridge (the 9mm one?).

[Funk]

But then we have built another SMG.

[Andres]

i have a hardon over carbines

Hey, I just got an idea... we have our AS-F14A rifle which is said to be available in carbine version. Revise the carbine one to include auto-fire and possibly a smaller cartridge (the 9mm one?).

I'm not sure it's possible to just get an existing weapon and "make it full-auto" in a revision, especially if we're changing the cartridge size. Moreover, the F14A Carbine is a carbine version of the battle rifle. I'm guessing that makes it around as big as an assault rifle, but I'm not sure.

But then we have built another SMG.

We'd either be making an assault rifle or an assault rifle carbine, so not an SMG.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Funk]

If we change it's ammo to 9mm then it's a SMG, if we leave it's ammo alone then it's a shortish Battle Rifle.

[Andres]

If it's gonna be an assault rifle it should be some kind of 7.62mm, while if it's an assault carbine it should be 5.56mm. 9mm pistol rounds are a bit too small.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Funk]

Assault rifles use intermediate size cartridges, Battle rifles use full-power rifle cartridges and Submachine guns use pistol cartridges.

Now any assault rifle we will need a intermediate size cartridge, im for 10x35mm as that's nice round number.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

10X35 is comparable to 7.62X54. It is  not an intermediate round

[Funk]

10X35 is comparable to 7.62X54. It is not an intermediate round

I've found the source of the problem i was up scaling .357 Magnum to an intermediate round.
But  .357 Magnum is based on .38 Special and that is sized to use old backpower loads which are less powerfull and need more space for the same power.

Stated it up with a few guess's.

Spoiler: 10x35mm (click to show/hide)

A rimless bottlenecked intermediate cartridge.
Bullet Weight 10 grams
Velocity  600 m/s
Bullet diameter 10mm

Energy 1806 joules

[Aseaheru]

Spoiler: For Andres specifically (click to show/hide)

 Andres, when you talk about ammo, please dont jsut say "7.62" or "5.56" or "9mm", because in most cases there are more than one cartridge that has that as its length.

 For instance, in 7.62xwahtever there are:
7.62×25mm Tokarev
7.63×25mm Mauser
7.65×21mm Parabellum
7.65×25mm Borchardt
7.65×17mm Browning
 (those are just the most common pistol rounds)
7.62×38mmR
.32 Long Colt
.32 S&W Long
.32 H&R Magnum
.327 Federal Magnum
 (revolver rounds)
300 AAC Blackout (7.62x35mm)
Soviet 7.62x39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
7.62x45mm vz. 52
7.62x51mm NATO
Our 7.62×54mmR, which 90% of our guns use
.30-06 Springfield
.30 Carbine
.303 British
7.7×58mm Arisaka
7.65×53mm Argentine
.308 Norma Magnum
.300 Norma Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Lapua Magnum (7.62x70mm)
.30-378 Weatherby Magnum
.30-30 Winchester
.30 R Blaser
30TC
 Again, most common rifle caliber 7.62 rounds.

 There is less confusion with 9x~mm, mostly because 9x19mm is amazingly popular and used by most military grade munitions and alot of the rest of it using 9x18mm.

 Apologies for how long it is... Think of how bad it was before I spoilered it.

[Andres]

I assumed people knew the cartridges I was talking about were of an appropriate length for the gun I was talking about at the time. For example, when I talked about 7.62mm for an assault rifle, I would've thought people would guess I meant a 7.62mm round with a length appropriate for an assault rifle rather than a battle rifle.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Why should we use imperial 0.3 inches size?
I want 6X36mm bullet.

[Aseaheru]

I assumed people knew the cartridges I was talking about were of an appropriate length for the gun I was talking about at the time. For example, when I talked about 7.62mm for an assault rifle, I would've thought people would guess I meant a 7.62mm round with a length appropriate for an assault rifle rather than a battle rifle.

Ever hear the saying "Assuming makes an ass of you and me"? In any online thing, particularly things like this, where being vague can lead to disaster, its good to never assume anything.

[Andres]

Good point. I'll try to be more clear about cartridge sizes in the future.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Sensei]

IP-R25: This is based off of stolen liberated designs for the Moskurg Model 3 Radio. Like the Model 3, it is an Expensive vacuum-tube audio-transmitting radio with consists of the 14-kilogram radio itself and an equally large box of batteries. To move, it needs to be carried by two men, but can be set up for use relatively quickly. It can also fit in most vehicles without affecting performance (or take up the entire sidecar on an M17 bike).

[Andres]

Our M17s can use it? Excellent. That'll be quite useful for scouting.

Fit the IP-R25 in most vehicles.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Use the Expense credit on our tanks.