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[10ebbor10]

I think we're doing good with fast moving vehicles for the moment. Our tank is fast, our armored personnel carrier is fast, our artillery can be relatively fast, if towed. Only thing that is slow is our soldiers, unless they get on a vulnerable bike.

Spoiler: AS-1926-ICFV-AL (click to show/hide)

A fast Armored personnel carrier, armed with our recently designed machine gun. Armored with spaced light aluminum armor  , and powered with a simplified fuel injection engine, it can carry a small squad of soldiers (including driver) to combat lines at appreciable speeds. Tracked for decent all terrain performance.


Anyone who suggest putting a turret or rocket launcher on it will be inside during the Life fire tests

The advantage of the APC is that's mostly impenetrable for their smallish arms.

About mountain artillery, that was a real thing. It works by making the gun dissassembelable in many parts, each of which can be carried individually.

[andrea]

what about portholes along the sides for individual firearms, so the fellows inside can stick out their gun and shoot people!

more seriosuly, that sounds like a great help in the jungle, possibly plains/desert too.

I am still partial toward a recoilless rifle. Mountain artillery is a great thought, but it wouldn't help at all in the jungle.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

We haven't received any reports stating that our current landmines are lacking

At the very least we lack AT mine. And look at description of our landmine. It is very primitive, we can create something better.

Anyway I am voting for 6mm*36mm full automatic rifle but I am not married to it. If someone will propose an interesting AT weapon or vehicle I will switch a vote.

Note that we can use expense credit on handheld AT, letting us to sweep through jungles and mountains.
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APC carrier can add more mobility to our infantry... but it needs more punch to benefit from mobility. and it is useless in mountains. It is nice for future, but not for now.

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BTW, I am little confused. Can we produce(expensive) radios this turn? We never got a message stating that. Instead it is - " Both of these are pretty complicated and might require some extra work to replicate"
Looks like we can't produce them without designing\revising.

[Kot]

Um, hello, yes?
I don't know if I'm in position to do that but...
What about napalm? This could easily turn any Jungle into hell and when used against vehicles, things, like tanks, may get very hot.
Or actually, why don't we arm all our soldiers with matchboxes and tell them to start some fires?

[Andres]

Spoiler: ASRPG27 (click to show/hide)

Litle more than a pipe with a triggering mechanism, this reloadable device launches a 80mm rocket out of one end of the tube at armored vehicles. This rocket contains a new shaped charge warhead that is much better a penetrating armor than traditional HE warheads.

This needs refinement. Allow me.

Design the AS-RPG27.

Spoiler: AS-RPG27 (click to show/hide)

The AS-RPG27 is a rocket launcher that fires 50mm rockets. It's a reloadable device that comes with shaped AT rockets and shrapnel rockets (tech gained from our landmines).

Highest priorities: Getting it to Very Expensive at most in terms of cost and reliability.
An 80mm rocket launcher is overkill and would increase the weight of the RPG too much. It would also need a better propellant to carry it so it would increase its complexity. Our 50mm cannons have no issue piercing their armour and neither will 50mm rocket launchers. If you were curious, the RPG-7 is a 40mm rocket launcher.

I think we're doing good with fast moving vehicles for the moment. Our tank is fast, our armored personnel carrier is fast, our artillery can be relatively fast, if towed. Only thing that is slow is our soldiers, unless they get on a vulnerable bike.

Spoiler: AS-1926-ICFV-AL (click to show/hide)

A fast Armored personnel carrier, armed with our recently designed machine gun. Armored with spaced light aluminum armor  , and powered with a simplified fuel injection engine, it can carry a small squad of soldiers (including driver) to combat lines at appreciable speeds. Tracked for decent all terrain performance.


Anyone who suggest putting a turret or rocket launcher on it will be inside during the Life fire tests

The advantage of the APC is that's mostly impenetrable for their smallish arms.

I watched Pentagon Wars when someone linked to it and I too was inspired to suggest an APC. After some thought, I deemed it useless.
There's no room for it to manoeuvre in the Jungle except on roads. On roads, it'll get destroyed by an enemy tank.
It's a wheeled vehicle and so can't be used in the Mountains.
In the Desert, it would get destroyed by precision artillery fire thanks to our enemy's radios. Also, infantry doesn't matter in the Desert.

BTW, I am little confused. Can we produce(expensive) radios this turn? We never got a message stating that. Instead it is - " Both of these are pretty complicated and might require some extra work to replicate"
Looks like we can't produce them without designing\revising.

It's a National Effort for us due to its complexity and its being a stolen design.

Um, hello, yes?
I don't know if I'm in position to do that but...
What about napalm? This could easily turn any Jungle into hell and when used against vehicles, things, like tanks, may get very hot.
Or actually, why don't we arm all our soldiers with matchboxes and tell them to start some fires?

Our mortars are equipped with incendiary rounds. If it was possible to start a giant fire in the Jungle they would've done so already.

[tryrar]

Well, any non-crappy AT weapon will require shaped charges anyways, so there is some risk.


Ohh, idea! How about a spigot mortar like the PIAT?

Spoiler: AS-MAT27 (click to show/hide)

A re-loadable, man-portable AT weapon that consists of a 80mm shaped charge propelled by a should fired spigot mortar. it should be able to generally hit a tank or armored vehicle at 100m with decent accuracy and has the option for HE warheads for direct-fire against infantry.

What's even better about this? We already have mortar tech, so it's probably just a matter of getting shaped charges

[Andres]

Ohh, idea! How about a spigot mortar like the PIAT?

Spoiler: AS-MAT27 (click to show/hide)

A re-loadable, man-portable AT weapon that consists of a 80mm shaped charge propelled by a should fired spigot mortar. it should be able to generally hit a tank or armored vehicle at 100m with decent accuracy and has the option for HE warheads for direct-fire against infantry.

It's not man-portable, it requires entrenchment or preparation to work properly (based on this picture), and it's a dead end technology.

[Kot]

Our mortars are equipped with incendiary rounds. If it was possible to start a giant fire in the Jungle they would've done so already.

Out them on planes then. This way we could easily disable vehicles, destroy enemy supplies, kill infantry, cause terror and stop them from trying to use pintle mounted guns or whathever they devise as anti aicraft weapon.

And since most of people seem to speak about AT weapons, why just don't go with magnetic mines or something similar to that? After all, aren't we supposed to ambush them?

[tryrar]

Ohh, idea! How about a spigot mortar like the PIAT?

Spoiler: AS-MAT27 (click to show/hide)

A re-loadable, man-portable AT weapon that consists of a 80mm shaped charge propelled by a should fired spigot mortar. it should be able to generally hit a tank or armored vehicle at 100m with decent accuracy and has the option for HE warheads for direct-fire against infantry.

It's not man-portable, it requires entrenchment or preparation to work properly (based on this picture), and it's a dead end technology.

...umm what? The PIAT only weighed 15kg, easily carted around by a man. Sure it wasn't recoiless and tended to bruise up the shoulder of the guy firing it, and it doesn't give us rockets, but it gives us an AT weapon NOW that we can be reasonably sure we'll get(barring not getting hollow charges )

[Ukrainian Ranger]

my main problem with the RPG - it is easy to fail and we have other ways to spend our revision phase. Same goes to assault rifle but it has less chances to fail.

the PIAT only weighed 15kg

Late WW2, man, late WW2.

Early WW2 spigot mortar was something like 60kg
Ours have all chances to be 120 kg.

[10ebbor10]

Well, I do believe we should revise the radio in our revision action.

Which leaves us to decide where exactly we want to hit our enemies. Capturing the mountains will be hard, even if we get an anti tank weapon. The enemy gets all their normal weaponry there, while we get only man portable equipment. So, not merely tanks, but also other heavy weaponry.

Keeping the Jungle is nice, but I wouldn't consider it a priority. Furthering a push on the desert front would be nice.

[tryrar]

Alright, fair enough. I vote for Andres' refinement to my design, unless my spigot mortar takes off.

[Andres]

Out them on planes then. This way we could easily disable vehicles, destroy enemy supplies, kill infantry, cause terror and stop them from trying to use pintle mounted guns or whathever they devise as anti aicraft weapon.

Our dive bombers probably have incendiary bombs. If incendiary ammo was as useful as you think, it would show up more in the battle reports. They don't so apparently it's not.

And since most of people seem to speak about AT weapons, why just don't go with magnetic mines or something similar to that? After all, aren't we supposed to ambush them?

Magnets? That would be an entirely new tech for us. High chance of failure. An RPG would also let us ambush them.

...umm what? The PIAT only weighed 15kg, easily carted around by a man. Sure it wasn't recoiless and tended to bruise up the shoulder of the guy firing it, and it doesn't give us rockets, but it gives us an AT weapon NOW that we can be reasonably sure we'll get(barring not getting hollow charges )

Perhaps man-operable was the better word. It works most efficiently when used by multiple people. We already wasted a design phase on something overly unambitious (the tank destroyer) so let's not do it again. Besides, the only new tech we're developing is rocketry. It shouldn't be that difficult considering our vast experience with explosives.

my main problem with the RPG - it is easy to fail and we have other ways to spend our revision phase. Same goes to assault rifle but it has less chances to fail.

I'm willing to go with either an assault rifle or an RPG.

[10ebbor10]

I don't see why we should :

It's a highly complex design.
It solves none of the issues we have. (We have more than enough ways to blow up their tanks.

If we're going to reverse engineer the radio, it might be a good idea to develop a new ranged artillery weapon. If it's mobile, we can use it in the Jungle to great effect.

Magnets? That would be an entirely new tech for us. High chance of failure. An RPG would also let us ambush them.

Like the shaped charge, it's ww2 era tech. Without the shaped charge, the weapon will be highly underwhelming.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I think the most straightforward move is automatic rifle. We have enough small arms experience to hope for success unlike handheld AT weapons.

And I repeat that I think that 6*36 is better than 7.62*40 because assault rifle doesn't need that strong round and lighter bullet means lighter gun.

it might be a good idea to develop a new ranged artillery weapon. If it's mobile, we can use it in the Jungle to great effect.

Hm... even if it is not... long range artillery+radio = we can shell them from Taiga while holding 1/4 territory. 6 ore gun, anyone?