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[tryrar]

Yeah, as everyone says, basically a couple grunts could manhandle this to a new location working together, and maybe if long range transportation was needed this would either be broken down and carried that way or put on its own artillery carriage. Basically just slightly less portable than our heavy MGs if that can be done.

[Sensei]

Cool, cool. I was thrown off by someone mentioning this as a solution to not having mobile machine guns.

AS-AC18: An advanced primer ignition autocannon, which ignites cartridge primers before the round is fully chambered. It fires the new, large, 20x100mm round, fed from a top-mounted 25 round C-shaped magazine with a powerful spring, usually armor piercing, about 600 times per minute. The weapon is quite large with a simple action but heavy barrel, weighing over 40 kilograms, and it requires being mounted to a carriage, foundation, or vehicle to fire with accuracy, although recoil is reduced by the nature of its action. It is dependent on a careful balance between the force of the shell and the force of the action, which means that different ammo types cannot be interchanged without recalibrating the gun. It has a terrifying ability to punch through armor and emplacements. Costs 3 ore due to its size and the size of its ammo.

You have gained the technology for APIB action. Your very productive mines and somewhat lucky engineers have the gun inexpensive, which means it can be reliably deployed wherever it can be moved and there are enough men to crew it.

[tryrar]

Not as portable as I'd like, but good enough! Any armor trying to retake ground will just get mowed down, and we can focus on other things for now.


As for revision, we have a couple choices: we can revise our SMG for APIB action, or we can make our motorcycle less of a widowmaker. I say we go for streghtening the motorcycle to not fall apart at the slightest provocation, and handle higher speeds safely.

[Andres]

Well, it seems it doesn't even need the AP ammo. I guess it'll just use normal bullets for the increased accuracy.

Review the carbine so it's a full-sized battle rifle and make it more reliable. Should remove its reliability issues and further making it more reliable after that will get us a fully-working carbine version. Since this is just a revision, I think we should call it the F14A. We can update the steam engine once we know for sure we can hold the Plains. If its performance is good enough, it might be enough to obsolete the Nosin.

Spoiler: proposals (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A. (Semi-auto Battle Rifle)
+ Resolves our infantry disadvantage
+ Unlikely to fail, considering all precursor technologies were already developed
+ Chance of getting a working carbine

Spoiler: votes (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A : Andres

[tryrar]

You forgot my proposal to update our motorcycle

Spoiler: proposals (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A. (Semi-auto Battle Rifle)
+ Resolves our infantry disadvantage
+ Unlikely to fail, considering all precursor technologies were already developed
+ Chance of getting a working carbine

Strengthen our motorcycle to not be such a widowmaker

Spoiler: votes (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A : Andres
Motorcycle:Tryrar

[andrea]

hm. Honestly, I'd like to improve our motorcycle. I would also like to improve our resource gathering abilities, but then again, we don't have anything that really needs new resources yet ( the tank could use ore, but it currently lacks a front to fight on).

the rifle is also tempting. While the motorcycle is a matter of pride(it really is a good one), having more effective infantry all around would be a nice advantage.

[Andres]

You forgot my proposal to update our motorcycle

Didn't see your post come up. Sorry.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Looks like we got very good rolls here. No obvious problems...

As for revisions. Variants I like

1) Revise motorbike fixing it frame, and upgrading the sidecar to carry AS-AC18.
2) Good old attempt to make the SMG cheaper. IMO, API is not something that can be integrated in already existing
3) Trying to replace steam engines with diesels for our trains
4) Improving carabines (good for mountain front)
5) Developing a sniper version of nosin.

[tryrar]

Oh hey, I didn't think on upgrading to a AC-18 for the sidecar mount! Good catch, I support this!

[Knave]

Think I'm going to vote for trying to make our SMG cheaper.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Review the carbine so it's a full-sized battle rifle and make it more reliable.

Spoiler: proposals (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A. (Semi-auto Battle Rifle)
+ Resolves our infantry disadvantage
+ Unlikely to fail, considering all precursor technologies were already developed
+ Chance of getting a working carbine

Strengthen the frame of our motorcycle and change default weapon to AS-AC18
+increases reliability of motorbike

Make SMG cheaper.
+ if succesfull will give SMG to the hands of every soldier who wants it

Spoiler: votes (click to show/hide)

AS-F14A : Andres, UR
Motorcycle:Tryrar
Cheaper SMG: Knave

We need to appease small arms fans . To be more serious - it should benefit mountains front, while motorbike will do nothing for mountains.

Please, lets design a simple truck next turn.

[Aseaheru]

Tryrar, dabm you and your ninja-like abilities!

And the next five people who ninjaed me!

 As for my stance on revisions...

The bike: Not a horrible idea, but we /may/ be able to do better
SMG cheaper: Why? Its cheap enough for squad use, I dont see the point with giving everyone a SMG, and a carbine, and a rifle.
Diesel Train: Again, why? We have coal, We dont know if we have any alternative fuels for a diesel, and we need that oil for other stuff.
Carbines: See bike
Sniper: I think we where told that we need a design stage for that.

And now:

 Sensei, can we use a revision to pull the main gun out of the tank and replace it with an autocannon or two?

-Ninja Six Edit-

Grah! Aaah! Maah! Ninja!

Also, I was thinking of suggesting we design a new tank, or rather a cross between a scout car and a tank, next turn.

[Sensei]

Sensei, can we use a revision to pull the main gun out of the tank and replace it with an autocannon or two?

That would be possible, yes.

[tryrar]

^^ you mean like a tankette? Something crewed by two men at the most? Hrm, might be useful, but we'd get the same effect with a light tank, and it would be able to carry enough armor to stop the Stallions cold.

[Andres]

We need to appease small arms fans . To be more serious - it should benefit mountains front, while motorbike will do nothing for mountains.

Assuming we get its reliability up to scratch, the motorbike would do more in the Mountains than anywhere else. With it, our troops can navigate the rough terrain much faster, meaning more reinforcements, taking up good sniper/MG positions, and actually letting us assault their bases with our SMGS/shotguns. It's also less exhausting to ride through mountains than it is to walk through them, and there are a lot of mountains.

Ok, so I've been thinking about how we could build a plane. We're gonna need a few things if we're gonna make it work.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

First of all, we're gonna need the Oil from either the Plains or the Jungle, meaning we have to upgrade our train. The plane will likely cost 3 Oil, so this will make it Expensive unless we get the Oil from both, which means upgrading our train twice.

Second, we're going to have to design the actual thing. Its complexity will make it Expensive at minimum and more likely it'll be Very Expensive. Very Expensive on its own is fine, but unless we get the Oil from both the Plains and Jungle, it'll be a National Effort in which case it's not worth it. We'd need to revise either the complexity or the train engine. The best choice here is the train engine because it gets us more resources and it allows us to upgrade our tank.

Third, we'll need to develop HE rounds. Whatever payload it drops it'll have to drop by hand (necessary to keep complexity down), meaning it'll be quite inaccurate. To offset this lack in accuracy, a bigger boom should be used. This shell will also be good for our tanks, artillery, and mortars.

Fourth, the intentional creation of a National Effort. A bomb so powerful that it would cripple Moskurg's capital. Probably not a nuke, but still something that has a lot of BOOM.

Glory to Arstotzka.