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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Probably we should have fixed the bike.,.. AP bullets didn't do much.

Sensei Will we get AP bullets for 12mm weapon for free should we design it?

[andrea]

very well, gentlemen. It seems that we hold the plains for ow, and we must defend them. However, to gain access to their resources we will need better transportation. This is aided by having more oil and ore available.
I believe we could work on an armored truck, which can help both on the battlefield and in supply lines. That extra oil and ore ( plains is +1/+1 right?) would allow us to field heavy vehicles in great numbers. and planes , and boats!

SO, my proposal for the design is now a truck.Our petrol engine experience will surely help.

As for the revision, it seems that what is stopping us from threatening their capital is lack of mobility. We could use a revision to improve our motorbike to be more reliable and work well in the heat.
Or we could still try to cheapen the SMG.

Also, what do you think about the german scientists? if the great war goes as in real life, the ire of germany might not be worth much.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I suggest (but not vote yet)

Spoiler: AS-AT18-35 (click to show/hide)

Light, long-barell high velocity 35mm AT-gun. Created for firing AP shells to neutralize enemy from great distances but has HE shells too. Preferably should disassemble to carriage, barrel and firing mechanism  to be carried by mules motorcycles  or  soldiers 

It is a step toward a tank next turn and a way to stop enemy assaults on our trenches in plains. If we are lucky this gun will be light enough to bring it to mountains and jungles.

We got AP technology from bullets, so designing 35mm AP shells will be easier.

I choose rather small caliber to make the gun light both for future tank  for using in rugged terrain and for fast traversing

[andrea]

that is actually not a bad idea. although we should also work on trasportation technology relatively soon, if we want to exploit the plains.

the gun seems fairly versatile, mounting it on vehicles shouldbe easy and does wonders to protect us from their vehicles ( which they can't field in great numbers or with great armor, due to their ore limit.)

[10ebbor10]

Pretty sure the bullets helped, considering the enemy was almost pushed back in the Jungle.

Anyway, a weapon to resolve our Struunk and other problems. Because we still haven't developed a machine gun that can be actually carried around.

Spoiler: AS-AC1918 20 mm Autocannon (click to show/hide)

A light autocannon firing 20 mm ammunition. Utilizes advanced Primer ignition, thus tremendously reducing weight and recoil as well as allowing more powerful cartridges, at the cost of some accuracy due to the need to utilize an open bolt mechanism. Include both normal and AP ammunition.

Utilize of strong alloys should allow great performance. (Aim for ore cost = 3) .

The benefit of developing a weapon using API ignition is that this is one of the more prevalent systems used in SMG's. The Uzi uses it, for one.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I prefer AT gun because it is simpler technology and will have greater range both for gun itself and future tank based on it.

Our top priority now is to hold plains. I don't care if they will win jungles back if we will hold and fortify plains.

[andrea]

holding and exploiting plains is a priority. For example, an extra ore would turn our tank into Expensive, rather than very expensive. That alone would be an advantage.
And that is just with current designs. 4 ore and 2 oil ( 3 until 1920) opens the way for new armor designs. Which may be useless in the mountains and jungle, but right now we threaten their home desert, where armor is viable.

[Sensei]

Sensei Will we get AP bullets for 12mm weapon for free should we design it?

AP bullets, and other types of bullets like incendiaries, tracers, etc will be available in any caliber that makes sense automatically. In the case of 12mm bullets, you would get 12mm AP for free.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Mobility stops being a priority for some time. It is nice (and my proposal is rather mobile) but we need stopping power first.

AT gun, landmines, pillboxes(is concrete ore?), engineering vehicles, 12mm machineguns, 12mm sniper-AT rifles or something like that is my choice for this round.

I prefer AT gun because it is a step toward a proper tank but I can support something like this

Spoiler: AS-R18 (click to show/hide)

A scoped bolt action rifle that uses new 12.5mm ammunition. Accuracy and range are top priorities but it should be light enough to be carried by a single guy. Uses advanced materials

Like their horsekiller but better, lighter, with better penetration (thanks to AP round), useful in plains, useful in mountains. Introduces snipers. Plays well with our patient trait.  Gives a round for Aircraft\Heavy machineguns. I can vote for it should it be popular.

[andrea]

that sniper rifle is actually nice. While plains are our primary ojective, advancing in mountains should be our second. denying them that second ore they get would be crippling.

hm. tough choice.

[10ebbor10]

On a side note, remember we don't get any more ore or oil untill we upgrade our logistics

[Sensei]

You do have 3 ore and 2 oil currently- buying oil comes with free shipping. But yes, you'll need more logistics to exploit the Plains resources.

[andrea]

indeed. which is why I initially suggested designing a truck. But I suppose that can wait. we can use revisions to upgrade our trains, likely.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Can we revise diesel or even petrol engined trains?

[andrea]

well, we do have engines, and most of the train stays the same. I think it is worth a shot.

or we can add a trailer to a stripped down tank, which would be only slightly ridiculous.

edit: also: opinions on trying to win the research credit from german scientist? should we try?