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[Andres]

I don't know, getting coaxial technology on top of turret technology is asking for a bit much, I think. Plus, the extra armour would decrease manoeuvrability and that's kind of important in the Jungle. Considering you're asking for higher quality metal, we may or may not have to research better metals too.

To further increase the chance of success, maybe we should make our armoured car have a man-operated turret? It would increase the chance of success of the Design and it would beat early technology auto turrets in reaction time. Furthermore, they won't have to worry about running out of electricity for it.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

8-ton tank that's better in every respect

Tryrar, Your tank is not light at all and can't fit into 8 tons.  It is too armored Make it 25mm front plate, 8mm elsewhere, then, maybe, you can get 8 tons.

Here is what Britain called a light tank in late 1930-s -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Tank_Mk_VI

It weights ~ 5 tons.
It has 5-14.mm armor. There are no scheme but lets be very genrious and give it something like 14mm forward\8mm sides\10mm around turret\5mm rear Assuming same height and width it means its armor is 1.8-2 times lighter then what you propose. But I expect even less armor than that.
It is armed with 0.5 and and 0.3 machineguns. - ~2 times lighter
It has 88 hp engine from 1930s... this one must be lighter than 75hp that we can design with our tech.


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Also, coaxial machinegun is a rather late technology. I'd rather give generic order - X 20mms, Y 7.62mms and see how engenieers will arrange it

[Andres]

We've reached crisis point in the Jungle. We need to push and we need to push hard.

Design the AS-MV20. (3 Ore, 2 Oil maximum.)

Revise the MC-16.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Aseaheru]

 Looking at the update, I dont think we need a tank. What I do think we need is, in this order:
-Fixing our aircraft
-AA guns/radio
-special rounds
-slightly better CQC capabilities. Yes, I finally think it may be time to revise the SMG.

And if we do get a tank, we should work on making it small. As is, two person. As in the design I submitted last turn.

[10ebbor10]

Those cost credits can also be very helpfull. Especially if we get both. Now, I think were pretty much guaranteed the Russian one, seeng as the primary need is intimidation (massive steam tank), and the fact that whatever Moksburg comes up with will fail in the cold. (Most likely their batteries).

The other thing we can get by upgrading our SMG, making it cheaper and introducing hollow point rounds

We might want to fix our planes as well, or at least implement an effective anti air solution.

Anyone have any info on what our spies did?

Edit : There are repeated reports of Moksburgian tanks getting stuck in our trenches, and crew being killed via SMG. Reverse engineering?

[Andres]

-slightly better CQC capabilities. Yes, I finally think it may be time to revise the SMG.

This isn't enough. You can bet your ass that Moskurg is going to revise their own version in anticipation for us revising ours. We need something more than cheap SMGs. Don't get me wrong, revising our SMG is 100% crucial if we want a chance at victory, but it isn't enough on its own.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Andres]

Those cost credits can also be very helpfull. Especially if we get both. Now, I think were pretty much guaranteed the Russian one, seeng as the primary need is intimidation (massive steam tank), and the fact that whatever Moksburg comes up with will fail in the cold. (Most likely their batteries).

This is actually really true. I hadn't even considered that all they care for is intimidation, plus the fact that ours can work in the cold. Excellent catch there, ebbor.

The other thing we can get by upgrading our SMG, making it cheaper and introducing hollow point rounds

Hollow point rounds might be even to match their Fierce trait. Probably not, but it's definitely a good idea and it can be applied to all our bullets. I just wish the Moskurg players would stop peeking into our thread to know exactly how to counter us.

We might want to fix our planes as well, or at least implement an effective anti air solution.

Our autocannons are more than enough for effective AA. What's more likely to happen is the filthy Moskurgs steal our awesome design for it and use it for their own purposes.

Anyone have any info on what our spies did?

I got none. UR? You know anything?

Edit : There are repeated reports of Moksburgian tanks getting stuck in our trenches, and crew being killed via SMG. Reverse engineering?

Probably not. We have all the tech that went into that tank, save its shitty radio.

Glory to Arstotzka.

EDIT: Damn, I just can't stop with the double-posting, can I?

EDIT2: Have our HV19 gather Oil instead of Ore.

[10ebbor10]

EDIT2: Have our HV19 gather Oil instead of Ore.

That's extra ore in 1920 and oil in 1921, right?

[Sensei]

Edit : There are repeated reports of Moksburgian tanks getting stuck in our trenches, and crew being killed via SMG. Reverse engineering?

Probably not. We have all the tech that went into that tank, save its shitty radio.

Actually, they couldn't fit the radio in the final design.

[Andres]

EDIT2: Have our HV19 gather Oil instead of Ore.

That's extra ore in 1920 and oil in 1921, right?

I'm under the belief that we get no Oil when 1920 starts rather than when it ends. I'll ask Sensei to clarify.
He said that the switch will happen without issue, so it doesn't matter so long as I change the action.

Have our HV19 gather Oil as soon as the Antegra Oil runs out. Have it begin earlier if a shortage would happen in between.

Glory to Arstotzka.

Edit : There are repeated reports of Moksburgian tanks getting stuck in our trenches, and crew being killed via SMG. Reverse engineering?

Probably not. We have all the tech that went into that tank, save its shitty radio.

Actually, they couldn't fit the radio in the final design.

So the tanks are absolutely worthless.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

No news over spying...

I say give up jungles and focus on getting both design contracts. Pilots, please forgive us

Design a micro SMG using API. 
May save our ass in jungles but likely not. Will win the concealed weapon contest unless complete shit.

Revise T-15. Try to make it less complex. Try to improve the steam engine, Improve ventilation. Add  AA\anti-light armor\anti soft targets turret armed with 20mm turrets and consider getting two such turrets. Try to improve its all terrain mobility to make T-15 at least somewhat usable in jungles
Monstrous but may stay useful. This projects make it much more effective against their armor, will be truly  MENACING, and not defenceless against airforce. If we are really lucky, may save our ass in jungles

We have a turn of ore 4, lets try to use it to kick asses by a common heavy tank.


Speaking about oil shortage: we can afford it. Our aircraft is shit anyway, more T-15 will be more useful. current will be merely expensive. If we are lucky, new may be not expensive at all

[Sheb]

The return for the design contract is only one expense credit (which I guess mean more common weapon for one year). Our T-15 is already terrifying enough on its own, we could offer it.

Id say go for Radio with the design phase, then we can revise something.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Radio is a long term investment... situation at the front doesn't allow it at all. 

I want to be sure that T-15 will win and we need to expoit a turn of 4 ore. If T-15 upgade will be good it will win junges, it will be able to defend itself against their armored cars and infantry.

[Sheb]

What do you mean? Were holding our ground. Radio would let us coordinate our artillery better, stalling them in the plains.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

We are losing jungles. Lost jungles = more resources for the enemy. Rather unpleasant situation. Furthermore, they will get access to Taiga and we may fail to stop their attack here.