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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Unless the bolded part was you switching the vote to the autocannon, Ukrainian ranger?

Nope. I would post updated vote count if I did.

Nevermind.....

[Hiddenleafguy]

I have decided to switch my (I know it gets annoying but this is the last time, probably.) to the first auto-cannon.

[andrea]

And I'll throw my vote to UR's idea. it seems to fit our current needs decently while still allowing some future use.

Spoiler: proposals (click to show/hide)

AS-AT18-35  (High velocity 35 mm tank gun)
+ Should be an effective solution against enemy tanks for the near future
+ Precursor to medium-light tank
+ Largest sensible name yet

AS-AC1918 (20x100 mm Autocannon)
+ Should be an effective solution against enemy tanks for the near future
+ Finally resolves the fact that we don't actually have a machine gun anyone can carry
+ Early anti-aircraft/ Potential aircraft armament.

AS-R18  (Bolt action sniper rifle)
+ Should be adequate against enemy armor
+ Good in mountains and other places were snipers are useful

AS-RH18-320
+ Can attack enemy resource production in the desert
+ Battleship precursor
+ Really big gun

Arstotzka-class Gunboat
- No numbers in the name
+ Creates navy

AS-SAR17. (Semi-auto Battle Rifle)
+ Resolves our infantry disadvantage
+ Unlikely to fail, considering all precursor technologies were already developed

AS-MMG18-15 (Mountain machinegun 15*100mm) (notes: portatility achieved through advanced materials(more ore), Advanced primer ignition, easy assemble/disassemble or combination)
+decent penetration
+precursor to aircraft/anti-aircraft/tankette weapons
+useful in mountains ( -12°to 90° elevation range)

Spoiler: votes (click to show/hide)

AS-AT18-35 : UR(2), VoidSlayer(1)
AS-AC18-20: 10ebbor10, Andres (2), Asea, tryrar, Hiddenleafguy,VoidSlayer(3)
Arstotzka-class Gunboat : Sheb
AS-SAR17 : Andres (1), VoidSlayer(2)
AS-R18 : UR(3)
AS-MMG18-15: UR(1), Andrea

and this preferential vote is annoying. Sure, I dislike first past the post too, but this is going to make bookeeping hard on either us or the GM.

As of this moment, the autocannon wins the first turn with 4 votes.

UR, I kept your previous options as preferences.

[Funk]

Spoiler: proposals (click to show/hide)

AS-AT18-35  (High velocity 35 mm tank gun)
+ Should be an effective solution against enemy tanks for the near future
+ Precursor to medium-light tank
+ Largest sensible name yet

AS-AC1918 (20x100 mm Autocannon)
+ Should be an effective solution against enemy tanks for the near future
+ Finally resolves the fact that we don't actually have a machine gun anyone can carry
+ Early anti-aircraft/ Potential aircraft armament.

AS-R18  (Bolt action sniper rifle)
+ Should be adequate against enemy armor
+ Good in mountains and other places were snipers are useful

AS-RH18-320
+ Can attack enemy resource production in the desert
+ Battleship precursor
+ Really big gun

Arstotzka-class Gunboat
- No numbers in the name
+ Creates navy

AS-SAR17. (Semi-auto Battle Rifle)
+ Resolves our infantry disadvantage
+ Unlikely to fail, considering all precursor technologies were already developed

AS-MMG18-15 (Mountain machinegun 15*100mm) (notes: portatility achieved through advanced materials(more ore), Advanced primer ignition, easy assemble/disassemble or combination)
+decent penetration
+precursor to aircraft/anti-aircraft/tankette weapons
+useful in mountains ( -12°to 90° elevation range)

Spoiler: votes (click to show/hide)

AS-AT18-35 : UR(2), VoidSlayer(1)
AS-AC18-20: 10ebbor10, Andres (2), Asea, tryrar, Hiddenleafguy,VoidSlayer(3),Funk
Arstotzka-class Gunboat : Sheb
AS-SAR17 : Andres (1), VoidSlayer(2)
AS-R18 : UR(3)
AS-MMG18-15: UR(1), Andrea

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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Damn I got a vote after I decided to delete it to not delay final decision.

I change my vote to 20 mm autocannon to stop the discussion. It  means five votes for it and unless miracle will happen AS-AC18\AS-AC18-20 wins

Lets hope that it will be useful for holding plains

[andrea]

honestly, I doubt anything of the stuff we were designing would have had that much impact in the plains next turn. we have plenty of machine guns which can already pierce their armor, adding more won't make a difference. our artillery works fine against their and our submachineguns dominate close encounters. In short, they can give us trouble advancing, but unless they get something radical, they have no chance storming our trenches.


Well, it seems the AS-AC1918 (20x100 mm Autocannon) WINS THE POPULAR VOTE
reposting it here for convenience.

Spoiler: AS-AC1918 20x100 mm Autocannon (click to show/hide)

A light autocannon firing 20x100 mm ammunition. Utilizes advanced Primer ignition, thus tremendously reducing weight and recoil as well as allowing more powerful cartridges, at the cost of some accuracy due to the need to utilize an open bolt mechanism. Include both normal and AP ammunition.

Utilize of strong alloys should allow great performance. (Aim for ore cost = 3) .

The benefit of developing a weapon using API ignition is that this is one of the more prevalent systems used in SMG's. The Uzi uses it, for one.

I sure hope Sensei gets here quickly, rather than reading the last 5 pages of discussion and changes.

[Aseaheru]

I just PMed him, so he should be here soonish.

[andrea]

haha. I pmed him as well, to tell him of the summary post

[Sensei]

Votes are overwhelmingly in favor of the AS-AC18. Rest assured guys, I update the thread when I have time.

Actually, I have to ask just to be clear: Are you attempting to make this man-portable?

[Aseaheru]

 I dont think so. If it can be, well, thats icing on the cake, but I dont think we are aiming to make it able to be fired on the go by ground pounders.

[10ebbor10]

Depends on how you define man portable. If you mean, a few dedicated people can carry it around if they want too, then yes. If you mean, firing on the go, then no.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I think we are attempting to do a gun that weights 30-50 kg without carriage.

Something like this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano-Suiza_HS.404 or this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_FF_cannon or more primitive - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becker_Type_M2_20_mm_cannon

[10ebbor10]

Yup. That was my original idea.

[andrea]

man portable in the sense that a man can carry it, but firing on the go? this thing would be way too big. we filled that niche with the submachinegun.

[Andres]

The gun should at least be portable enough to use in the Mountains.