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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Design
« Reply #2925 on: September 01, 2015, 03:34:08 am »

Revision

Aerodynamic HEAT warhead: An aerodynamic HEAT warhead, which can be used not only as the warhead on our RPG's, but also as a bomblet, dropped in tight groups by our fighters and bombers.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Design
« Reply #2926 on: September 01, 2015, 03:35:28 am »

Not sure if going for that, or for a way to shave some ore out of the T-33 and make it Expensive. Do we still get the Chinese Ore?
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Design
« Reply #2927 on: September 01, 2015, 03:38:34 am »

I don't think we need to make it expensive. Our standard T 25 is sufficient to handle the majority of the enemy forces.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Design
« Reply #2928 on: September 01, 2015, 03:42:12 am »

Oh yeah, I remember why I went to go play rocket league instead of updating: Trying to tally votes in Moskurg thread is a mess. :P

The Chinese ore has indeed run out, their last shipment was in time for 1932 production.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2929 on: September 01, 2015, 03:44:02 am »

But we don't need to "handle" them, we need to steamroll them back to Moskurg City. Being able to obsolete our T-25 and replace it entirely with our T-33 would help greatly, possibly more than slightly better HEAT.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Design
« Reply #2930 on: September 01, 2015, 03:44:50 am »

We already have RAS for this gun. We don't need to redesign ammo for every gun we make. The higher caliber will help us make us of them. I missed the fire rate, that will be revised, but not a priority this turn.  They can't pierce our frontal armor anymore and our gun outperform their.  If I am not mistaken we are still faster than their tanks and the electric turret will help a lot.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2931 on: September 01, 2015, 03:47:55 am »

Yeah, we are still faster than their tank. I'm more afraid of their AT gun. And yeah, the RAS thing was a production order idea.

No, revision would probably be lower the Ore cost somehow (better slanting to use less metal? Slat instead of schürzen?), increase firerate/ammo capacity and add some optics.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2932 on: September 01, 2015, 03:51:05 am »

But we don't need to "handle" them, we need to steamroll them back to Moskurg City. Being able to obsolete our T-25 and replace it entirely with our T-33 would help greatly, possibly more than slightly better HEAT.
Our T-33 is nice, but it's not an uniform improvement.

It's slower, has a lower fire rate, and less ammunition.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2933 on: September 01, 2015, 04:01:16 am »

Indeed.  It serves its role well,  but I believe it works best alongside the T 25. Think of it like our little heavy tank. It needs to work together with lighter units. That said, if we get fire rate, speed and ammo capacity,  go ahead and try to replace. But that is for later. Lets  try to get a good aerodynamic heat grenade ( and I guess bomb?)

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2934 on: September 01, 2015, 04:02:19 am »

I dunno, I feel what we need as an AA/AT counter measure.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2935 on: September 01, 2015, 04:12:19 am »

Against our ground troops, it is just a big direct fire artillery. Our better armor and improved range are already countermeasures,  as are our dive bombers. Best counter would be artillery,  but that needs to be designed.

Against our air force, that cannon is a concern.  But what can we do besides flying higher or lower? Lower is a production order. Higher would need new tech, which we could revise I guess. But I don't think it is critical.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2936 on: September 01, 2015, 04:22:00 am »

Besides, I anticipated flak with the geodesic design. Wellington's were know to survive even direct hits by flak cannons.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2937 on: September 01, 2015, 04:26:32 am »

Still a big hindrance. Well, I don't see a much better idea than better HEAT warhead, we might as well go with it.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2938 on: September 01, 2015, 05:14:16 am »

just to be clear, +1 Heat warhead. and if we have time, get the delivery method a bit better too. like, longer ranged rocket.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1933 Revision
« Reply #2939 on: September 01, 2015, 05:17:52 am »

More aerodynamics should help. We might do well to design a new RPG next turn, with larger rockets (RPG-7 use 40 mm rockets instead of the 20mm we use), optimized flight characteristics and optical sight.
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