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Author Topic: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1935 Production  (Read 162307 times)

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2220 on: August 13, 2015, 01:00:49 pm »

Sorry, I meant, only reason it doesn't outclass us in accuracy.

Anyway, I have a great idea. It's another trio of ammunition suggestions, but these will have a massive impact

Ammunition Update

Hollow point bullets : Massive increase in low caliber, short range stopping power. All our infantry guns will become much more effective
Tracer : So far, our pilots and gunners have been guessing whether they were hitting or not hitting. The addition of tracers will make our air force massively better
Soft point bullets : Basically, a compromise between the normal bullet and the soft point bullet. Included here because I had no ideas for a third bullet, and it should be more compatible with our machine guns if any troubles do apply.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2221 on: August 13, 2015, 01:03:02 pm »

Incendiary? They still field a lot of flammable aircraft.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2222 on: August 13, 2015, 01:03:37 pm »

Sorry, I meant, only reason it doesn't outclass us in accuracy.

Anyway, I have a great idea. It's another trio of ammunition suggestions, but these will have a massive impact

Hollow point bullets : Massive increase in low caliber, short range stopping power. All our infantry guns will become much more effective
Tracer : So far, our pilots and gunners have been guessing whether they were hitting or not hitting. The addition of tracers will make our air force massively better
Soft point bullets : Basically, a compromise between the normal bullet and the soft point bullet. Included here because I had no ideas for a third bullet, and it should be more compatible with our machine guns if any troubles do apply.

+1 for this, this is what we need
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No. I suppose there are similarities, but I'm fairly certain angry birds doesn't let me charge into a battalion of knights with a car made of circular saws.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2223 on: August 13, 2015, 01:04:11 pm »

Incendiary? They still field a lot of flammable aircraft.
We have incendiary already. At least, I do believe we do.

Edit: Apparently only for 20 mm and larger.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=152115.msg6415149;topicseen#msg6415149

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2224 on: August 13, 2015, 01:06:53 pm »

Should be noted that hollow points bullet are banned under international law.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2225 on: August 13, 2015, 01:11:24 pm »

Should be noted that hollow points bullet are banned under international law.

That same convention also banned :

- the attack or bombardment of undefended towns or habitations.
- The looting of villages/cities
- Collective punishment
- Dropping projectiles or explosives from balloons or other analogous methods
- Poison gas

And you know, we're not a signatory.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2226 on: August 13, 2015, 01:19:08 pm »

hmm... anyone interested in designing chemical weapons? we could push back the enemy absurdly quick if we do.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2227 on: August 13, 2015, 01:21:19 pm »

Poison gas? They'd probably revise a gas mask.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2228 on: August 13, 2015, 01:22:31 pm »

Not quite.

Gas works best if your enemy is entrenched. We left the trenches quite some time ago.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2229 on: August 13, 2015, 01:23:16 pm »

Rockets are cooler than hollow points.
Also, is our country Christian? Do we have lots of mercury?
hmm... anyone interested in designing chemical weapons? we could push back the enemy absurdly quick if we do.
Cannot stress out how bad this idea is. There's a reason why Germans during WW2 didin't use those.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2230 on: August 13, 2015, 01:24:05 pm »

Poison gas? They'd probably revise a gas mask.

And problems with poison gas is the wind has to be right or you're committing fratricide on your own lines if you use them, so they're only of questionably situational usefulness.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2231 on: August 13, 2015, 01:25:39 pm »

If they revise a gas mask they cant revise a tank or worse, and it'll give us a way to break through the mountains and jungle. not to mention not all gas needs to be breathed in to kill nerve gas is a thing.

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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2232 on: August 13, 2015, 01:26:38 pm »

If they revise a gas mask they cant revise a tank or worse, and it'll give us a way to break through the mountains and jungle. not to mention not all gas needs to be breathed in to kill nerve gas is a thing.
Problem is, we'd have to spend a design action developing poison gas, and a revision action developing a gas mask.\

They only need one revision.

Rockets are cooler than hollow points.
Upgrading our artillery to have a bit more range will not be a better improvement than upgrading our firepower of our planes and low caliber weaponry.

Tracers will be devastating on enemy air force.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2233 on: August 13, 2015, 01:27:56 pm »

Should be noted that hollow points bullet are banned under international law.
Technically it's not hollow points are are banned but "..bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions."
Hence Russian 5.45×39mm which has an internal hollow area but is ok.

Exploding bullets under 400 grams are banned as well under the Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868.
No gas that just leads to us both haveing to make better gas masks and worse gas every turn.
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Re: Arms Race, Arstotzka: 1929 Revision
« Reply #2234 on: August 13, 2015, 01:30:44 pm »

Guys, NO, STOP, DAMNIT.
WE DO NOT USE GASES TO KILL PEOPLE, OR THE WHOLE WORLD WILL COME AT OUR ASSES BECAUSE THEY KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE HOW BAD THEY ARE.
If the Moskurgs do it, then fine, but let's not start it.

Also, I asked if we're Christian (Orthodox maybe?) and if we have lots of mercury.
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