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[Kot]

We can't give the RPG to the communists because it'll piss of the US (again) and it'll be giving away the weapon that shouldn't have been invented for another decade.

First, communist will win anyway. And it was the Moskurgians who pissed off the US recently, If I remember right. Also, fucking ore that will make stuff cheaper. Not to mention that USA doesn't really gave a shit until after WWII thanks to their isolationism, and we can't really compete with Moskurgian machinegun, so we don't have much to give to the other side.

If they actually decide to send their Sorraia over, they'll lose due to resource cost.

Resource cost of what? It costs 2 ore, so does our old machineguns (the new ones are 3 ore) which are arguably (yeah, right) worse.
And if you mean they will lose to our pistol, then this discussion makes no sense, you clearly should be shoot at dawn. Chinese wanted a machine gun, not something that is objectively worse than throwing stones.

It's a statement. We shouldn't be grateful to the British for ending their occupation and slavery of the Arstotzkan people. Moskurgs are cowards for bending over for the great British schlong of oppression.

What a bullshit.
We want British to like us, all in all, if Americans get angry (which you're so afraid of), British may step in, CONSIDERING THEY LIKE US BECAUSE WE GAVE HIM SOMETHING THAT ISIN'T HORSESHIT.

No more pissing off the US. Remember what happened last time.

I don't actually. Can't seem to find that in reports. What happened?

[Andres]

First, communist will win anyway. And it was the Moskurgians who pissed off the US recently, If I remember right. Also, fucking ore that will make stuff cheaper. Not to mention that USA doesn't really gave a shit until after WWII thanks to their isolationism

We're not trying to make the Communists lose, here. Regardless of if they win or lose, helping them at all will lower our standing in the eyes of anyone who hates communists, including Britain (since you seem to care about that), Germany, and the US. They do hate communism, by the way. Early on in Soviet Russia's history (between 1919 and 1929, I think), Britain invaded Russia with a bunch of other countries to "nip Communism in the bud" as it were. The invasion failed and the Soviets hated the West even more.

Resource cost of what? It costs 2 ore, so does our old machineguns (the new ones are 3 ore) which are arguably (yeah, right) worse.
And if you mean they will lose to our pistol, then this discussion makes no sense, you clearly should be shoot at dawn. Chinese wanted a machine gun, not something that is objectively worse than throwing stones.

What? No, I think there's some confusion. We give the pistol to the British and we give something else (maybe the F14A) to the Chinese. We give the pistol to the British to insult them. We give the F14A (or another weapon) to the Chinese. The way I see it, the Royal Army is looking for a weapon that'll be cheap no matter what, even if they only have the minimum amount of resources. It's why I don't think we should submit our grenade.

What a bullshit.
We want British to like us, all in all, if Americans get angry (which you're so afraid of), British may step in, CONSIDERING THEY LIKE US BECAUSE WE GAVE HIM SOMETHING THAT ISIN'T HORSESHIT.

Making the British like us may be the strategic thing to do but fuck it! This is what the British get for forcing Arstotzkans to work in their plantations like common slaves! We are Arstotzkans and we have our pride! We can improve our relations with the British but not if it means apologising for throwing off our shackles of slavery and oppression!

I don't actually. Can't seem to find that in reports. What happened?

Both Moskurg and Arstotzka sent their spies to steal some intel from their sunken submarine in order to get Design credits. They were both captured and in the year after, rebels started appearing in both Arstotzka and Moskurg. After some espionage actions, the US were found to be directly tied to both rebellions.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Kot]

We're not trying to make the Communists lose, here. Regardless of if they win or lose, helping them at all will lower our standing in the eyes of anyone who hates communists, including Britain (since you seem to care about that), Germany, and the US. They do hate communism, by the way.
Early on in Soviet Russia's history (between 1919 and 1929, I think), Britain invaded Russia with a bunch of other countries to "nip Communism in the bud" as it were. The invasion failed and the Soviets hated the West even more.

There was no invasion, merely minor "help" for Whites from Western countries in Civil War, and not even because of communists, it was because they retracted from the war, and they didin't like Germany not fighting on both fronts.
Fuck that anyway, just send guns to everyone.

What? No, I think there's some confusion. We give the pistol to the British and we give something else (maybe the F14A) to the Chinese. We give the pistol to the British to insult them. We give the F14A (or another weapon) to the Chinese. The way I see it, the Royal Army is looking for a weapon that'll be cheap no matter what, even if they only have the minimum amount of resources. It's why I don't think we should submit our grenade.

They want a machinegun, not rifle or grenades. The commies would possibly want a grenade, but you don't want to help commies.

Making the British like us may be the strategic thing to do but fuck it! This is what the British get for forcing Arstotzkans to work in their plantations like common slaves! We are Arstotzkans and we have our pride! We can improve our relations with the British but not if it means apologising for throwing off our shackles of slavery and oppression!

Yadadadadadada, they didin't even managed to stay long enough to make us work at plantations. Give them something good, and do it quick.

Both Moskurg and Arstotzka sent their spies to steal some intel from their sunken submarine in order to get Design credits. They were both captured and in the year after, rebels started appearing in both Arstotzka and Moskurg. After some espionage actions, the US were found to be directly tied to both rebellions.

Glory to Arstotzka.

Stealing from Americans =/= helping a country on the other side of world, that they don't even care about, yet. It won't instantly cause them to drop everything and pop destroyers by our shores.

[Andres]

Stealing from Americans =/= helping a country on the other side of world, that they don't even care about, yet. It won't instantly cause them to drop everything and pop destroyers by our shores.

Helping someone the US doesn't like like won't make them send destroyers after us, but they might just start up another rebellion.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[VoidSlayer]

We could design a high altitude heavy bomber and send those to china.  That might change some of the dynamics of the civil war.

Or make the sniper rifle, send a single one to the British and include a note saying, "hope your officers enjoy their time here."

For the code machines what about instead of a machine like the moskurds use, a different one? 

My idea is make several dozen radio channels constantly broadcasting random disinformation orders and reports.  However every 10 minutes one of them is the real radio.  Hand out new code books saying which one is the real channel each day or week or whatever.  This will allow real time radio communication while not giving away information.

[Kot]

We could design a high altitude heavy bomber and send those to china.  That might change some of the dynamics of the civil war.

Or make the sniper rifle, send a single one to the British and include a note saying, "hope your officers enjoy their time here."

Both those require using a design phase.

For the code machines what about instead of a machine like the moskurds use, a different one? 

My idea is make several dozen radio channels constantly broadcasting random disinformation orders and reports.  However every 10 minutes one of them is the real radio.  Hand out new code books saying which one is the real channel each day or week or whatever.  This will allow real time radio communication while not giving away information.

The constant broadcasting would require a lot of people talking good bullshit (bad bullshit would be too close to reality) to pull off. Also works only on bigger scale, really, not on squad one.

[Aseaheru]

We're not trying to make the Communists lose, here. Regardless of if they win or lose, helping them at all will lower our standing in the eyes of anyone who hates communists, including Britain (since you seem to care about that), Germany, and the US. They do hate communism, by the way.
Early on in Soviet Russia's history (between 1919 and 1929, I think), Britain invaded Russia with a bunch of other countries to "nip Communism in the bud" as it were. The invasion failed and the Soviets hated the West even more.

There was no invasion, merely minor "help" for Whites from Western countries in Civil War, and not even because of communists, it was because they retracted from the war, and they didin't like Germany not fighting on both fronts.

*cough*

We could design a high altitude heavy bomber and send those to china.  That might change some of the dynamics of the civil war.

Or make the sniper rifle, send a single one to the British and include a note saying, "hope your officers enjoy their time here."

Both those require using a design phase.

And no one is asking for a bomber. The Chinese factions both want cheap shit, one cheap machine guns and the other cheap anti-emplacement stuff. As for the brits, I think we should just send the pistol. From what I can tell, they are just asking for a gun to make up for abandoning their colonization of us.

[Kot]

*cough*

That's what I said?

And no one is asking for a bomber. The Chinese factions both want cheap shit, one cheap machine guns and the other cheap anti-emplacement stuff. As for the brits, I think we should just send the pistol. From what I can tell, they are just asking for a gun to make up for abandoning their colonization of us.

And a gun that doesn't even really shoot is a make up for abandoning colonization?
Sweet God-Emperor, have mercy, at least send them something that isin't a useless piece of junk, have some dignity.
Also give Chinese what they want, so they can give us what we want. Fuck the rest.
EDIT:
I have a brilliant idea.
Maybe instead of sending the designs through official channels, send them with less... fanfares?
I mean, we can always blame them having RPGs and MGs on Moskurgs.

[Andres]

We could try giving them a version of our MG that uses wood instead of aluminium. It would make the gun a lot cheaper.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Kot]

Wooden machineguns.
Yes, that's a best idea ever! Why we haven't thought of it before and started carving our guns out of old logs?

But seriously, I'm not sure if we can do that. After all, that would be changing the design, so theoretically, revision.

[Andres]

Wooden machineguns.
Yes, that's a best idea ever! Why we haven't thought of it before and started carving our guns out of old logs?

But seriously, I'm not sure if we can do that. After all, that would be changing the design, so theoretically, revision.

Only stocks and such are made of aluminium. A "standard" 1924 could possibly be made without a revision. Heck, we're not even trying to maintain quality here.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Funk]

Arm Blaster

Spoiler: AS-AB-29 (click to show/hide)

An unusual weapon it is strapped to the forearm.

It consists of 130mm barrel, and a unique horizontally mounted feed system that runs along the forearm.
Fireing from a closed bolt blowback system it uses 9x19mm rounds.
It uses a telescoping bolt to shorten the action and a hydro-pneumatic spring to lesson the recoil.

Glory to Arstotzka.

[Kot]

Actually, why not fully remove the stocks, grips and sights? They want it to be cheap, after all...
Remove the magazines too, make them insert the rounds one by one...

Spoiler: AS-AB-29 (click to show/hide)

An unusual weapon it is strapped to the forearm.

It consists of 130mm barrel, and a unique horizontally mounted feed system that runs along the forearm.
Fireing from a closed bolt blowback system it uses 9x19mm rounds.
It uses a telescoping bolt to shorten the action and a hydro-pneumatic spring to lesson the recoil.

Glory to Arstotzka.

For a second I thought the 130mm was the diameter of the barrel. D:

[andrea]

so... you guys are voting for an electro-mechanical calculator?

we are 10 year early for that and unlike the RPG we don't have pre-existing tech. What makes you think we can do it?

[10ebbor10]

The fact that the enemy build an electromechanical encryption mechanism.

And it's not technologically impossible, not ahead of it's time. The first enigma's were build at the end of WW1. Electromechanical calculators predate the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marchant_calculator

It's not a dedicated calculator. It's a series of calculators, each purpose build but with common design systems.