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[Gentlefish]

But that ruins the goodies and the prize. We already know it has to deal with codons.

[NJW2000]

So is it a genetic-style code, but with 5 different bases, is the question.

That, taken with the base-pairing rule, seems a little bit weird.

But: the code is divisible into triplets.

And if each triplet represented a letter... people have tried that before. Unless each letter could be represented by one of several triplets, as with the 20 amino acids in DNA being made by several different triplets.

With 4-base DNA, there are 4^3=64 triplets, and 20 bases, 3 stop codones, 1 start codon... there aren't 3 triplets per base, though, some bases have 5, others 1. The number of triplets per base is roughly comparable

With 5 base DNA, there would be 5^3=125. There are 26 letters... a given number of start codones, a given number of stop ones... Assuming it works like that. Anyway, one would have to try and guess which triplets made which letters, with some triplets meaning the same letter.
Not sure how one would go about that though.


There are, apparently, novel bases available. Which could be relevant, but has been discussed below.

...fuck, I have an exam tomorrow.

[TheBiggerFish]

It could be amino acids?

[NJW2000]

I hope PW doesn't actually want us to create dna. Because that would be, you know, weird but possible and rather cheap.

PPE: 2-base codes for each acid?

[chaotic skies]

I feel beyond out of my depth. To Google, away!

[Ozarck]

ACTGU.

I'd be a bit confused if I saw T and U in the same place though.

With 4-base DNA, there are 4^3=64 triplets, and 20 bases, 3 stop codones, 1 start codon... there aren't 3 triplets per base, though, some bases have 5, others 1. The number of triplets per base is roughly comparable

if both DNA codons and RNA codons are represented (a codon is three symbols, mind you) and if the greek symbols each match one of the bases, actgu, then we have 101 triplets to look at, with 64 DNA and 64 RNA codons, eliminating repeated sets

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Dna and rna codons, with d and e representing t and u.

aaa aab aac aad aae      aba abb abc abd abe      aca acb acc acd ace
ada adb adc add      aea aeb aec aee

baa bab bac bad bae      bba bbb bbc bbd bbe      bca bcb bcc bcd bce
bda bdb bdc bdd      bea beb bec bee

caa cab cac cad cae      cba cbb cbc cbd cbe      cca ccb ccc ccd cce
cda cdb cdc cdd      cea ceb cec cee

daa dab dac dad       dba dbb dbc dbd       dca dcb dcc dcd
dda ddb ddc ddd      

eaa eab eac eae      eba ebb ebc ebe      eca ecb ecc ece
eea eeb eec eee

note that ade, for example, wouldn't work, as it would mix the T and U letters in the same codon.

Edit: however, this only matters if, in the Cipher, there are any pairs of letters that do not appear in the same triplet. There are not.

[chaotic skies]

Any progress yet?

[Gentlefish]

HAHA NOPE. Honestly, considering the End of ER, I'm ready to ask for the answer.

[Skyrunner]

ER's ending?

[Parisbre56]

ER's ending?

Current ER yes. Piecewise is preparing ER 2.0, codenamed RER (pronounced re-R). They play test games using an IRC-like chat that allows for rolling, character pages and stuff like that every night at 1 GMT I think. You can find links to the chat and the rules in the OOC thread.

[Ozarck]

 I quit trying right at "codons" to be honest.

[TheBiggerFish]

ER's ending?

Current ER yes. Piecewise is preparing ER 2.0, codenamed RER (pronounced re-R). They play test games using an IRC-like chat that allows for rolling, character pages and stuff like that every night at 1 GMT I think. You can find links to the chat and the rules in the OOC thread.

It's on Roll20.

[Lenglon]

I think people have given up pw.

[Harry Baldman]

I think people have given up pw.

Yeah, turns out there's not a single Crick among us in ER's base of people.

[spazyak]

My only guess was the key shifted 1 each time. But I never had the time to sove and test that