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« Reply #1695 on: August 27, 2015, 04:53:43 am »

FWIW, I'm looking at a solid propellant rocket motor on my desk right now. It has the benefit of modern chemistry, sure, but it's a bunch of white paste/powder packed into a cardboard tube. It's less mechanically complex than a roll of coins.

Neat.  What's in it?

If you don't know, I'd expect with it being civilian-available and a white powder, that it's probably an ammonium chlorate oxidizer mixed with something else.  Very reasonable for low-velocity rockets.  That kind of thing is common in cruise missiles, for instance.

Or just straight ammonium chlorate.  That's not really a rocket, but good enough for fireworks.
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« Reply #1696 on: August 27, 2015, 05:21:16 am »


Oh, and evilcherry, it's also because if someone jumps out and says 'flamethrower weapons suck', people still vote for them anyway.
As for bad weapons, I think all of us are guilty of that at one point or another. Sadly, some people don't even want to give reasons, only +1s.

Not necessarily. Two of the better aircraft of ww2 where wooden. The German one, which never got out of being a prototype, was a jet fighter with stealth, for hevensakes. Also it was a flying wing.
The other, the mosquito, was an amazing light bomber and night fighter.
And yet the game don't recognize that. It also looks like that no matter how we design things, those designed later will have automatic advantage. This also explains why the Model 4 Yellowjacket won't win the skies as it should.
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« Reply #1697 on: August 27, 2015, 05:37:11 am »

This also explains why the Model 4 Yellowjacket won't win the skies as it should.
I think that has more to do with our much larger advantage in ground-based AA.
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« Reply #1698 on: August 27, 2015, 05:41:47 am »

This also explains why the Model 4 Yellowjacket won't win the skies as it should.
I think that has more to do with our much larger advantage in ground-based AA.
You don't have any ground based AA. You are basically defenseless against Model 3s strafing with Stallion.

I mean, we should be pinning back your soft targets, while your bombers either have to fly low (and face the Yellowjacket diving on it from outside turret angle) or high (with the yellowjacket killing it without opposition from below). Moskurg should rule the skies, while the lucky Arstotzkan bomber will go through once in a while.

Although GM doesn't think like this.

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« Reply #1699 on: August 27, 2015, 05:42:17 am »

...Except for the fact that the AC-18 has no carriage for proper AA fire, so it wouldn't even be able to point it's barrel upwards enough to target our yellowjackets, especially given the altitude limit it has.
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« Reply #1700 on: August 27, 2015, 05:49:59 am »

I was also under the impression our Yellowjackets were designed to have a high altitude ceiling anyway. This'd give it an even greater bonus in dogfighting, and mean it'll be able strike Arstotzkan bombers when they don't have an escort. At the same time, you'd think our 2 year old interceptor would be better than an 8 year old re-purprosed dive bomber.
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« Reply #1701 on: August 27, 2015, 05:53:14 am »

I was also under the impression our Yellowjackets were designed to have a high altitude ceiling anyway. This'd give it an even greater bonus in dogfighting, and mean it'll be able strike Arstotzkan bombers when they don't have an escort. At the same time, you'd think our 2 year old interceptor would be better than an 8 year old re-purprosed dive bomber.
Nope, no. It doesn't work this way. IIRC, your Yellowjackets don't have turbochargers, so you will never be able to catch something that has 3 turbocharged engines.
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« Reply #1702 on: August 27, 2015, 05:54:58 am »

I'm not saying they can beat them in a a straight chase, but they should be able to intercept when at an altitude above your fighter's ceiling.
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« Reply #1703 on: August 27, 2015, 06:03:05 am »

I'm not saying they can beat them in a a straight chase, but they should be able to intercept when at an altitude above your fighter's ceiling.
Except they won't be even able to reach that altitude with any reasonable speed (or even at all). Check with a flight sim (Il2?) that has Airacobra. It's known for not having a turbocharger (which is sole reason they weren't adopted in US Army) which makes it utterly useless for high-alt.
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« Reply #1704 on: August 27, 2015, 06:04:00 am »

This also explains why the Model 4 Yellowjacket won't win the skies as it should.
I think that has more to do with our much larger advantage in ground-based AA.
You don't have any ground based AA. You are basically defenseless against Model 3s strafing with Stallion.

Although GM doesn't think like this.
We have flak, actually. Our artillery can fire upwards and is equiped with timed fragmentation shells.
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« Reply #1705 on: August 27, 2015, 06:05:22 am »

Except they won't be even able to reach that altitude with any reasonable speed (or even at all). Check with a flight sim (Il2?) that has Airacobra. It's known for not having a turbocharger (which is sole reason they weren't adopted in US Army) which makes it utterly useless for high-alt.
Except we explicitly said in our design that we wanted a higher altitude ceiling.
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« Reply #1706 on: August 27, 2015, 06:05:41 am »

No AA sights for them though.
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« Reply #1707 on: August 27, 2015, 06:12:53 am »

Except they won't be even able to reach that altitude with any reasonable speed (or even at all). Check with a flight sim (Il2?) that has Airacobra. It's known for not having a turbocharger (which is sole reason they weren't adopted in US Army) which makes it utterly useless for high-alt.
Except we explicitly said in our design that we wanted a higher altitude ceiling.
And we said we wanted an even higher one.

Doesn't really matter though, as the bomber prefers flying under escort.
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« Reply #1708 on: August 27, 2015, 06:13:33 am »

Except they won't be even able to reach that altitude with any reasonable speed (or even at all). Check with a flight sim (Il2?) that has Airacobra. It's known for not having a turbocharger (which is sole reason they weren't adopted in US Army) which makes it utterly useless for high-alt.
Except we explicitly said in our design that we wanted a higher altitude ceiling.
Except you have it, but due to lack of turbochargers you still don't have shit on anything that does (maybe except our fighters, since they have no closed cockpit). It's pretty simple, really, turbochargers = high alt, no turbochargers = ground hugging.
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« Reply #1709 on: August 27, 2015, 06:18:56 am »

Their design is faster, more maneuverable and can fly higher than our fighter.

However, it is armed solely with small caliber guns, and IIRC, doesn't appear to have any special ammunition but armor piercing rounds.
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