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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2015, 07:59:15 am »

That would require some hilariously overpowered lighting guns. Metal armor is fucking hard to melt via electricity. Also, if the armor is properly isolated from the wearer, the death will not occur. Like with aircraft - lightning hits them regularly, usual effects - nil.
Indeed, for lighting guns to have any range they would already be trowing all the energy output to voltage and would pack very little current.

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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2015, 08:00:32 am »

That would require some hilariously overpowered lighting guns. Metal armor is fucking hard to melt via electricity. Also, if the armor is properly isolated from the wearer, the death will not occur. Like with aircraft - lightning hits them regularly, usual effects - nil.
Indeed, for lighting guns to have any range they would already be trowing all the energy output to voltage and would pack very little current.

Okay am I out of the loop on something here, because the concept of such advanced power armor is pretty much entirely theoretical as well.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2015, 08:06:28 am »

Lightning guns wouldn't have any range anyway, because if anything other than your enemy can conduct electricity and is near (like the ground), the arc would go there.

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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2015, 08:07:30 am »

Basically if someone were to shoot a lightning gun at someone wearing the armour, the lightning gun would a) recharge the armour's power cells, b) not damage the armour, and c) not damage the guy inside the armour. Experimental solutions are acceptable.

Well the armor would melt, the batteries would probably explode, and the guy would be pretty dead.
That would require some hilariously overpowered lighting guns. Metal armor is fucking hard to melt via electricity. Also, if the armor is properly isolated from the wearer, the death will not occur. Like with aircraft - lightning hits them regularly, usual effects - nil.
Unless the electricity was strong enough to overcharge the battery, at which case it explode and kill the person inside. Maybe some watt-limited charger, so the battery won't explode by lighting strike.
Indeed, for lighting guns to have any range they would already be throwing all the energy output to voltage and would pack very little current.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2015, 08:11:04 am »

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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2015, 08:22:25 am »

Basically if someone were to shoot a lightning gun at someone wearing the armour, the lightning gun would a) recharge the armour's power cells, b) not damage the armour, and c) not damage the guy inside the armour. Experimental solutions are acceptable.

Well the armor would melt, the batteries would probably explode, and the guy would be pretty dead.
That would require some hilariously overpowered lighting guns. Metal armor is fucking hard to melt via electricity. Also, if the armor is properly isolated from the wearer, the death will not occur. Like with aircraft - lightning hits them regularly, usual effects - nil.
Unless the electricity was strong enough to overcharge the battery, at which case it explode and kill the person inside. Maybe some watt-limited charger, so the battery won't explode by lighting strike.
If the battery is physically connected to the outer armour itself, you have bigger problems than getting exploded by lightning. For one, battery will constantly lose charge, because it will conduct through armour itself to the ground. This will prevent the battery from normally functioning at all.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2015, 08:27:31 am »

I mean... no one would ever use the armor itself as a circuit. I hope anyways.

This is POWERED ARMOUR, the batteries/ridiculously-inaccurate-pocket-generator would distribute power to the servomotors, pistons, other mechanical components, as well as the inevitable computer required to control it through large bundles of wiring I imagine.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2015, 08:32:00 am »

Basically if someone were to shoot a lightning gun at someone wearing the armour, the lightning gun would a) recharge the armour's power cells, b) not damage the armour, and c) not damage the guy inside the armour. Experimental solutions are acceptable.
Well the armor would melt, the batteries would probably explode, and the guy would be pretty dead.
Nah, the lightning gun would probably explode first. It's gotta be putting out more energy than you're taking in.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2015, 09:15:07 am »

Found a cool picture of a lightning gun.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2015, 09:36:04 am »

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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2015, 11:53:03 am »

A gelatinous biomorphic coating?

Anyway who attacks a person wearing power armor with lightning guns?
You just rust the armor with a saltshot, no more suit for the softskin.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2015, 12:13:04 pm »

*has actually considered making power armor

The peoblem with powered armors is not getting shorted out, or with rusting. the problem is power generation and heat removal.

Rusting is easily solved with a ceramic coating. Something like TiN (Titanium nitride) would work well, and would give you that "ironman gold" color.

This would also make the armor's outer surfaces nonconductive. coupled with hardened electronics with good floating ground, you have a pretty solid base to start with.

the problem is power generation. packing enough energy into a small enough package without resorting to an internal combustion engine of some kind makes power armor a nonstarter, unless you know how to produce useful fusion, and have very good nuke sheilding for the reactor you would have to carry around. Additionally, there's the heat problem. The suit is going to be gobbling down a lot of juice to power the actuators, and to dynamically stiffen parts of the suit on kinetic impacts-- this means the suit is going to have a very high TDP, which means it will need active cooling.

The obvious way to take out power armor is a fine mist spray of something that coats heatsinks and reduces thermal conductivity of the heatsink with the open air. Several synthetic oils come to mind as possible candidates, especially if followed up with some kind of dust contaminant.

Mineral oil mist followed by clay dust in a dispersal pack would clog up the active cooling of the power armor, making it overheat and either cook the occupant, or shut down to protect the occupant.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2015, 12:15:47 pm »

Or use a boiling water cannon as your anti-personnel weapon :P
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2015, 12:22:29 pm »

Google Electrolasers, they have quite the range.
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Re: Ways to prevent electricity from damaging power armour
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2015, 12:29:11 pm »

Yes, but also require active circuit completion to be useful.

a nonconductive ceramic coating on the suit will render the suit unable to complete a circuit with the ground, and thus the electrolaser wont really do much damage other than the laser portion of the beam.

electrolasers create a high voltage, high current bridge with a target using a laser to create a tube of conductive plasma on one side, and the ground on the other. If the target is not grounded/does not electrically interact with the environment, then the charge will preferrentially bleed away from the beam path rather than pass through the target.
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