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[My Name is Immaterial]

Well, that's a minion focused Necro. Don't forget, you could play a Necro that doesn't use many minions, but instead casts necromantic spells. That said, a Death Domain Cleric would probably be better.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, that's why I didn't flat out say "Do not play a Necro." They get a bit of a boost to their non-undead spells, even if most of their school is gimped by being attached to one of the most restrictive skillsets in 5e.

[TheBiggerFish]

Re:Minion Necro Weak Necro
That is what houserules are for, guys, in any case.

[Harry Baldman]

So if I ever wanted to play something in the vein of a necromancer I'd probably be better off playing a warlock?

Come to think of it, wasn't the Dread Necromancer in 3.5e a weird sort of warlock itself? And the warlock itself could get its hands on a pretty nice variation of Animate Dead?

[Neonivek]

While I will still assert that Evocation is better than you think...

Necromancy yeah has some issues. Command undead is about the only way you get a good undead under your control and while taking an undead beholder is priceless, it isn't likely to happen. (I am surprised the bonuses to Animate dead doesn't include an extra undead under your command)

But still I'd have to see it in action.

Since Level 6 you essentially have four skeletons with arrows for what amounts to four extra attacks a round for the cost of one spell.

Also yes there are a lot of options that are POSSIBLE for animate dead that could "fix" Necromancy builds such as
1) Armor and weapons (The easiest option)
2) Using the "Undead" and "Skeleton" alterations on the creature in question (Harder and a metric ton more powerful)

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Also no Harry nothing replaces what a Necromancer does... if only because a Necromancer's summons last indefinitely.

[Flying Dice]

Which is ultimately the main problem with necromancy in 5e: they don't. You have to recast every bloody day to keep them under control. And you can't get much in the way of interesting undead, just the handful of types the rules allow, so you lose out on a lot of utility -- it also loses the charm of being able to raise a bunch of the random stuff your party kills.

Fair enough with Evocation. I still think it's not nearly good enough to be worth taking in comparison to other options, but relative to 3.5/PF there is a much smaller gap between Evocation vs. anything else for Wizards, mostly due to the new mechanic for concentration and limited spells making it more difficult to do the same BC/buff/debuff shenanigans you could manage. 3.5/PF was "If you want to blast, don't play a Wizard," while 5e is more "If you want to blast, I guess you could play a Wizard?"

[My Name is Immaterial]

@Minion Necro: You could also take a three level dip into Paladin, for the Oathbreaker Channel Divinity, which essentially lets you control one undead creature of a CR lower than your level.

I'm afraid I am going to have to drop out for a few weeks, due to traveling, family and the like. I might be able to rejoin in September. I shall see.

[TheBiggerFish]

Update on making next session:
May or may not, because even under normal circumstances, travelling happens during 5ish to 6ish (front end of the session) for about half an hour.  Will, however, try and get that pushed forward so I can be around and not have to duck out randomly.

[Naryar]

Well, today's hour is very much not practical for me. So, may not actually join if it's a regular thing.

[kilakan]

Well, I don't think we've ever actually started at 7est... it's normally 5est when we start.  But otherwise yes that's the regular thing as that is indeed what the op says, starting 4-7 on sunday.

[TheBiggerFish]

Blaugh.  I kind of am travelling right smack in the middle of that block.

[TheBiggerFish]

Is the session in session, or is there still time? 

[kilakan]

well we kinda quit cause there wasn't enough people here to do the session without it being fucking stupid.  Also wizards got nerfed to fucking hell, and now suck so much.

[My Name is Immaterial]

Also wizards got nerfed to fucking hell, and now suck so much.

[TheBiggerFish]

Also wizards got nerfed to fucking hell, and now suck so much.

Sorcerer YEAH.
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