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[FallacyofUrist]

... that's a last ditch effort to save your life? Well, good sir, I can tell you from experience that repeatedly claiming town doesn't work. In fact, that's how I pulled off being voted for by all but 2 of the players in the game, one of which being me and the other being NQT.

[fillipk]

So what else am I to do we have no info so no one can back me up, all I can say is that I honestly think Roo and the Moonlit Shadow are scum nothing I have posted has been a lie

[FallacyofUrist]

I suppose that will be tested upon the lynch.

we have no info

Lie! There is always info! Examine the several pages of text before this post and see if anything feels off about the players' posts!

[fillipk]

aggressive because the town can take casualties, I know someone said this before but anyone who hasn't posted is avoiding drawing attention to themselves so they are more likely to be scum then me, I unvote because most likely, like me they are just a newb, we probably have better chances going after a quiet person because no one's posts made me feel off.

[kilakan]

Looking back now I realized I messed up but that's the same reason why I'm town, as someone pointed out scum tend to stay quiet and avoid drawing attention to themselves for the exact reason of me, they get noticed and could be lynched which is dangerous to them since there are like 2 on each team.

The reason I jumped on the bandwagon was so we had a day 1 lynch and moved on, we have no info besides what people post anyway is just as good as say picking someone who hasn't posted at all, Roo and the Moonlit Shadow got jumped on by me, because Roo voted me, probably randomly so I admit I overreacted, voting Moonlit Shadow was me trying to end the day so we could get more information, I'm not 100% new to mafia which is why I hate the first day and want to lynch someone and get over it.

last ditch effort to save my life?  I've seen this situation before where its really hard to appear innocent my only defense is that I'm acting like a stereotypical town in my first bay 12 mafia game.

I'd like to say that town don't attempt to save their own lives, instead you should be attempting to hunt down the true scum.  That is if you are town anyhow, scum only attempt to save their own lives instead of proactive scum hunting since well... there's no scum to hunt. 

aggressive because the town can take casualties, I know someone said this before but anyone who hasn't posted is avoiding drawing attention to themselves so they are more likely to be scum then me, I unvote because most likely, like me they are just a newb, we probably have better chances going after a quiet person because no one's posts made me feel off.

  Than why previously did you agree with the lynch of moonlit shadow if no one's posts made you feel off?

Also, I still think roo is scum, especially since now he's clammed up after some pressure was thrown on him.  No attempts to scum hunt, rebuke any of the claims against him or otherwise.  People might of complained that some of the roo votes were just RVS initially but after my case against him I got no response, he stopped scum hunting, and is now very quite. 

However dear god do I wish I could vote multiple times, and fair warning if it comes down to a tie fillipk you are dripping with scum at this point.  All that could make your case better in my eyes is some active hunting.

[fillipk]

Looking back now I realized I messed up but that's the same reason why I'm town, as someone pointed out scum tend to stay quiet and avoid drawing attention to themselves for the exact reason of me, they get noticed and could be lynched which is dangerous to them since there are like 2 on each team.

The reason I jumped on the bandwagon was so we had a day 1 lynch and moved on, we have no info besides what people post anyway is just as good as say picking someone who hasn't posted at all, Roo and the Moonlit Shadow got jumped on by me, because Roo voted me, probably randomly so I admit I overreacted, voting Moonlit Shadow was me trying to end the day so we could get more information, I'm not 100% new to mafia which is why I hate the first day and want to lynch someone and get over it.

last ditch effort to save my life?  I've seen this situation before where its really hard to appear innocent my only defense is that I'm acting like a stereotypical town in my first bay 12 mafia game.

I'd like to say that town don't attempt to save their own lives, instead you should be attempting to hunt down the true scum.  That is if you are town anyhow, scum only attempt to save their own lives instead of proactive scum hunting since well... there's no scum to hunt. 

aggressive because the town can take casualties, I know someone said this before but anyone who hasn't posted is avoiding drawing attention to themselves so they are more likely to be scum then me, I unvote because most likely, like me they are just a newb, we probably have better chances going after a quiet person because no one's posts made me feel off.

  Than why previously did you agree with the lynch of moonlit shadow if no one's posts made you feel off?

Also, I still think roo is scum, especially since now he's clammed up after some pressure was thrown on him.  No attempts to scum hunt, rebuke any of the claims against him or otherwise.  People might of complained that some of the roo votes were just RVS initially but after my case against him I got no response, he stopped scum hunting, and is now very quite. 

However dear god do I wish I could vote multiple times, and fair warning if it comes down to a tie fillipk you are dripping with scum at this point.  All that could make your case better in my eyes is some active hunting.

You want scum hunting? Fine.

Dampe and RedMageCole you have not posted a thing I am accusing you both of scum defend yourselves

[FallacyofUrist]

... that's not scum hunting that's lurker fishing.

Scum hunting is when you attack players who are actually present.

fillipk, try attacking someone who might defend themselves(more discussion for town to analyze!)

[fillipk]

...Roo you never did claim if you were town, why aren't you scum

[Comrade Shamrock]

filipk:

aggressive because the town can take casualties, I know someone said this before but anyone who hasn't posted is avoiding drawing attention to themselves so they are more likely to be scum then me, I unvote because most likely, like me they are just a newb, we probably have better chances going after a quiet person because no one's posts made me feel off.

Scum can be aggresive too in their first game so it's not a stellar defence. I tried to lynch someone over their over reaction to a joke. immaterial I believe made a play on the words Alleecat used "shot in the foot" and Allee thought he was accusing her with an inspect. I tried to get Allee based on that.

Dampe and RedMageCole you have not posted a thing I am accusing you both of scum defend yourselves

Wow, a more half assed attempt I have not seen.

Looking back now I realized I messed up but that's the same reason why I'm town, as someone pointed out scum tend to stay quiet and avoid drawing attention to themselves for the exact reason of me, they get noticed and could be lynched which is dangerous to them since there are like 2 on each team.

The reason I jumped on the bandwagon was so we had a day 1 lynch and moved on, we have no info besides what people post anyway is just as good as say picking someone who hasn't posted at all, Roo and the Moonlit Shadow got jumped on by me, because Roo voted me, probably randomly so I admit I overreacted, voting Moonlit Shadow was me trying to end the day so we could get more information, I'm not 100% new to mafia which is why I hate the first day and want to lynch someone and get over it.

Since people have time to think about it avoiding being noticed is much harder to pull off. Lurkers also tend to screw over town so some people have a policy lynch for lurkers. So it's dangerous to lurk as well.

Dampe and RedMage:
Yoohoo... what would be your preferred method to proceed in the game now if you were scum (either team) given your lack of content so far and the assumption no one so far on your team has drawn major scrutiny?

Arcvasti:
So far despite being one of the more active players you have mainly hung back to poke or prod at the situation mainly by just answering questions or offering just observations.

My personal theory is that its both, but I've got little besides gut instinct and dubious "evidence" to support it.

Are you planning to try and build up a case?

Those with prior experience with Arcvasti
Does the aforementioned usually do this?

For all:
Following some self examination of my post I wonder if it would be a good example of what scum should do. First of all I'm pushing a case on someone who could be floundering if town. I appear to be pushing suspicion on arcvasti for later by first launching a small attack and inviting special scrutiny onto him by asking other to examine him. Meanwhile it's broken up by questions which are rvs in nature as they are addressed to 2 inactive players.

What do you think? I'm curious.

[FallacyofUrist]

Are you scummy? Less so than many others(at least you're logicking it out and whatnot).  As for RVS... It's still day one.

[Persus13]

Haven't died, been on car trip to mountains. Will post later, but this game has more new players than vets, so that's going to be a hassle.

[fillipk]

About the half ass attempt I guess I was shooting in the dark if I had to pick I would go back to my original vote because Roo seems the most suspicious to me, besides myself, I mean after what I posted I would suspect myself, it seems I'm not doing as great a job this game.

[Arcvasti]

Arcvasti:
So far despite being one of the more active players you have mainly hung back to poke or prod at the situation mainly by just answering questions or offering just observations.

We've got an extended day here, which means plenty of time to mull things over. Its entirely possible abstaining from pressure voting people might be a bad tactic, but I currently don't have any major suspects, although this will probably change midway through writing this post as I compile suspicious stuff from various people.

My personal theory is that its both, but I've got little besides gut instinct and dubious "evidence" to support it.

Are you planning to try and build up a case?

Below, I have compiled everything suspicious about roo, The Moonlit Shadow and fillipk.

Spoiler: The Moonlit Shadow (click to show/hide)

Timeline:
-Was asked if they were town by roo
-Voted roo immediately afterwards
-Justified vote on roo with somewhat fuzzy logic
-Attempted to un-extend the day, which would have gotten roo lynched as a consequence
-In a later post defending themselves, pointed out roo's weak logic instead of their own

Conclusion: I believe they could have panicked after roo asked them if they were town because they're either scum and new to the game or town and are just new to the game and thus paranoid of revealing too much about themselves.

Spoiler: roo (click to show/hide)

-Votes fillipk as RVS, justifies with meme
-Took vote off of fillipk and put it on The Moonlit Shadow in order to tie up the votecount and not be lynched
-Said that they will roleclaim shortly to attempt to avoid lynch

Conclusion: This actually doesn't seem terribly suspicious, looked at this way. Sorta defensive, but they were going to die in under an hour before the extension was voted in. Withholding judgement until they come back to post more as they're kinda quiet now that they're not in immediate danger.

Spoiler: fillipk (click to show/hide)

-Was RVSed by roo
-Voted roo in retaliation
-Almost got roo lynched before the day was extended
-Justified their vote on roo by saying that they had a good track record and that their gut said roo was scum
-Very soon afterward, changed their vote to The Moonlit Shadow, citing general suspiciousness and the fact the The Moonlit Shadow was the easier lynch
-Began asserting that they were town, used the noob card and said they just wanted to get the day over with
-Asserted that they were town a second time
-Asserted that they honestly believed roo and The Moonlit Shadow were both scum
-Unvoted The Moonlit Shadow, citing that they thought The Moonlit Shadow was probably just another noob
-Went after some lurkers after goaded into scum-hunting
-Went after roo afterwards
-Said that they still believed roo to be scum, although I'm not sure if they shifted their vote or not

Conclusion: There are two real possibilities. Either they're scum or they're town and keep digging themselves deeper with mood swings and poorly thought out defenses. I'd say they're the most likely of the three to be scum, at least until roo posts some more and we get more data on him.

Out of the other major posters, Kilakan and FallacyofUrist seem unsuspicious because of their proactivity, use of logic and lack of flailing. Thus they are either good townies or especially devious scum. I am assuming the former, although the latter may eventually turn out to be true. I will also point out that, in a game like this with two opposing scum teams, active scum-hunting would be an excellent tactic for the scum themselves so as to use the town to take out their rival scum.

Those with prior experience with Arcvasti
Does the aforementioned usually do this?

First time in Bay12 mafia here, no one has prior experience with me.


Alright, based on the above, I am voting fillipk, as they are currently the best choice for a random or semi-random vote, at least until roo posts some more.

[fillipk]

Thank you forgot to shift my vote Roo  I will come back with a better defense in a couple hours, just give me a bit to think.

[FallacyofUrist]

very very good, Arcvasti!
I would vote fillipk, but I already am voting him.

Let's let a few hours pass with some discussion and questions and whatnot and then hopefully fillipk will have his defense.

So it's 3-D scum hunting. Bandwagons forming left and right, and melting just as fast!