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[FallacyofUrist]

Gut is never good enough in mafia! We use the 3 Paragons: "Knowledge!", "Logic/Reason", and "Role Evidence"!

[fillipk]

Gut is never good enough in mafia! We use the 3 Paragons: "Knowledge!", "Logic/Reason", and "Role Evidence"!

Knowledge: none because this is my first bay12 game and its day 1
Logic/Reason: Gut feeling
Role/evidence: Town ftw

[Arcvasti]

... do I need to fetch NQT and have him give you a lecture on D1 no lynches?

If you or them could clarify your reasoning on the matter, that would probably be helpful[See: Soggy grasp of mafia theory]. I'm not opposed to lynching someone on D1, but I feel lynching roo or Moonlit Shadow wouldn't be terribly helpful, at least not with the amount of information we have.

Personally, I find aggression to be a town-tell. Scum are more concerned with playing it safe and not getting killed, because of their small numbers. Townies are willing to go into aggressive and risky attacks that may invite votes for the hope of finding scum.

Yeah, I can understand that logic. Doesn't rule out being a scum and taking refuge in audacity, but that way lies madness.

[FallacyofUrist]

If you'll examine the last Beginner's Mafia thread, in the OP you'll notice a spoiler containing a rant written by Bookthras on why D1 no-lynches are a bad thing for town.

Can I get one more person to extend so we have more time to discuss Logic and Reason?

[TheDarkStar]

Can I get one more person to extend so we have more time to discuss Logic and Reason?

Sure. Extend. This way, I'll also have a chance to read through the last few pages.

[flabort]

The day has been Extended!
I've also made the desicion to make days 72 hours instead of 24, because I'm realizing how much short days are a hassle to players who can't post daily.

So, day ends in 52 in-game hours, 100 IRL hours, on Monday 10:00 PM Mountain time.
1/2 extensions used.

[TheDarkStar]

The Moonlit Shadow:

No extend! Too lazy to go back and read the op for how to properly diem vote it, sorry flaport.

The day was extended as of my post. You can vote for a shorten, but this extension is already in effect. Also, I'm voting for you because you seem really fixated on getting roo lynched. Also, I'm not quite sure why you want him to get lynched. Can you summarize your case on him?

[kilakan]

Because it's incredibly late and I am incredibly tired, Extend and yes, I am being very aggressive.  It's a tactic, if you noticed I said a lot of my recent experience is in town of salem, you are either aggressive or you miss your chance at a day.

As for my reason for voting roo, I made a very large post with quotes from him explaining why I am voting him.  He didn't address anything I said, therefore I am still voting him.

[FallacyofUrist]

So now it's a tug of war. Is anyone else here suspicious to you?(we don't want a 2-dimensional thread, do we?)

[kilakan]

Yes, Moonlit shadow is highly suspicious as per previous reasons I have said to him.  However I am also content to let day 1 pass with a no lynch waiting for roo to decide to actually respond or not.  Otherwise, the people who haven't posted at all are of course suspect for lurking.

[fillipk]

Moonlight Shadow

You guys convinced me and I can always get Roo later if he's scum

[FallacyofUrist]

... we convinced you? Seriously?

2-D. The Moonlit Shadow, and Roo. Both are the only real suspects here. We need more conversation starters! At this point I'm considering pulling an NQT to get the thread going...(D1 claim that may or may not be true).

Everyone: does it seem even a little bit like a bandwagon on the Moonlit Shadow? Sure, he seems scummy, but if we analyze who voted him and for what reasons, we may find a player that is more likely scum(though he's the best target for now).

Spoiler: Advice to the Moonlit Shadow: (click to show/hide)

Don't panic. If you panic, it just makes you seem more scummy. If you are really town, then don't panic. If you are some sort of scum, still, don't panic. It's day 1- votes now are easier to get removed than later.
Look at everyone who has voted you, and see what their reasons are, then target the player with the worst reasons. Don't necessarily vote that player, just pick apart the flaws in that player's arguments(or lack of arguments) to apply pressure to them.
And above all, never give up. In my recent BM I had pretty much all but one players voting for me at one time. If I had given up, it would have looked rather scummy(scum are known for passiveness and whatnot, being defensive by nature) and it wouldn't have helped the town. I, with a bit of effort, diverted the lynch to a more scummy player. (who unfortunately was town). That's why we never give up- it's pointless and it doesn't help town one bit.

Of course, just because I sympathize with you doesn't mean I'm going to unvote you, you still need to explain why our votes are wrongly placed.

[kilakan]

It certainly feels like a bandwagon on Moonlit, since one of the major persecutors of him (me) isn't even voting him, and the other (FoU) expressed it as a pressure vote.  Otherwise people have kinda just gone 'well okay' and voted him.

[FallacyofUrist]

Honestly, I would take off my vote if he would just come and give a little reasoning instead of "he's scum! I'm not!"

[kilakan]

That's more or less the reason for my vote still on roo as well so... yeaaaaah