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[IamanElfCollaborator]

Next, I'm making a change to the character sheets. Premise is: You now get the full total on the HD for first level then after that it's a roll. If you have 1d8 for HP, you start with 8+CON Modifer. This should make things more interesting. You also cannot go lower than 1d8 on a vital. That means that for a specific skill you can either get 1d8, 1d10, or 1d12.

May I ask why a roll for health calculation is even necessary?

[Sanure]

So I based the system itself off of how DnD's Armor and Health system worked. This allowed for a more uniform damage range between the three different damage stats without ending up with a single Damage Master Race, like how v3 Had Magic Master race before the SP inclusion. At level one expect to see at max of 6 damage from level 1 enemies, and a player may deal Their Damage Stat modifier in damage in the form of Xd6, X being the Stat doing the damage. So Sen would deal 2d6 damage (Melee or Magic) to the enemy before damage reduction.

If an AP or SP ability is used, it increases the damage by 1d6 per AP or SP spent. More on that after I Fogg my room and remove all these insectile pests...

[IamanElfCollaborator]

So I based the system itself off of how DnD's Armor and Health system worked. This allowed for a more uniform damage range between the three different damage stats without ending up with a single Damage Master Race, like how v3 Had Magic Master race before the SP inclusion. At level one expect to see at max of 6 damage from level 1 enemies, and a player may deal Their Damage Stat modifier in damage in the form of Xd6, X being the Stat doing the damage. So Sen would deal 2d6 damage (Melee or Magic) to the enemy before damage reduction.

And this couldn't be done with a fixed Mana/Ability Point/Health calculation why?

[kj1225]

I agree that a fixed health allotment would be a good idea. Maybe something like 10+1/2MIS?

[Sanure]

So my main problem with determining Vitals and shit like that was how to prevent v2's min-maxing, as well as make damage uniform for each type of Stat based damage unlike in v3.

When I decided to use DnD as a base, It was because the system worked ((so long as you played Vanilla D&D and not homebrew )) well enough that players at level 1 had equal chances of beating an enemy up to 3 levels higher. (When I finally do post combat rules, you'll see why.) So, Sen at level 1 has 10 HP, An Armor class (more on that when combat rules are posted) of 5, and a STR and/or WIS modifer of 2 for a total of 3d6 Melee or Magical damage.

Spoiler: Example combat Text (click to show/hide)

Let's say Sen is facing an ratkin with 12 HP, an Armor Class of 7 and a total of 2d6 melee damage. Now the stats seem arbitrarily low, but thats the point. To determine if your attack hits, you roll your AGI vs a Enemy Level TN, typically 5 for level 1. On rolling over the target number, you deal your chosen form of damage to the enemy, in this case Sen deals 3d6 Melee to the ratkin. A quick roll says 8 damage. Now the Rat's AC kicks in. I roll 7d6 for the damage resistance, and on 4,5, or 6, 1 point of damage is negated. A quick roll says 2 hits, so Sen deals 6 damage to the rat. On the rats turn, it rolls it's Agi versus Sen's Level TN, once more 5, and rolls a 5. Ratkin deals 2d6 damage to sen, or 9 for it's roll. sen's AC negates 4 of the damage, taking 5 total. (Note during this I didn't roll for dodge. If I was, I would have added Sen's AgI modifer to the TN, and the rat would have missed.

((Note: I will be making maps for when Combat does happen, as that livens up the combat and makes it visually pleasing. Just don't expect anything fancy.))

So, if I had done an arbitrary flat rate, at level 5 sen would have around 90-100 HP, which makes combat go really slow with the Stat system I have. Combat, if any happens is meant to be fast, and as such a HD roll for HP gain seemed to be the fairest.  Granted, an obvious flaw with Character creation rolls was shown, so I decided to do the Full Die max as the Starting Health, then each level up added 1dX HP or a flat rate of half the HD.

[Sanure]

This means that at Level 5 Sen would have either between 15 HP with poor rolls or 60 HP with best rolls or 35 HP if taken of a Flat Rate.

[IamanElfCollaborator]

I still don't like the concept that we may have dead levels (or as good as dead) because our stats are determined by a random roll, but if everyone else is fine with it, I suppose I can't argue against it.

[ragnarok97071]

need to talk vitals and backstory with someone, if that's cool.

I still don't like the concept that we may have dead levels (or as good as dead) because our stats are determined by a random roll, but if everyone else is fine with it, I suppose I can't argue against it.

If she's going full DND it should probably be xdy+con, so that shouldn't be too mcuh of a problem, it does give you a good amount of buffer.

Oh, and the con is retroactive, so if you raise your con mod it gives you [level] extra mhp

[USEC_OFFICER]

So... Combat rules when?

I still don't like the concept that we may have dead levels (or as good as dead) because our stats are determined by a random roll, but if everyone else is fine with it, I suppose I can't argue against it.

Personally I don't like the dead levels either. Something less random would be appreciated from me.

[~Neri]

I dislike dead levels due to random rolls.

[ragnarok97071]

I dislike dead levels due to random rolls.

I point back to my post earlier

She says she's basing it on DND.

Meaning your CON is your main determinant of HP.

The roll is just a sort of bonus.

If you have high con, you'll have high health, and so on.

[Sanure]

Stats aren't what's rolled, only Vitals. Each level nets you 5 points to spend on your stats. So you can increase your total Con or STR, or what have you each level.

@Rag, this pretty much. Con is still a big influence to your HP.

Also, I should mention, that I never included CON in my example for Sen at level 5, as I did not change any of her stats to show this.

[USEC_OFFICER]

@Rag, this pretty much. Con is still a big influence to your HP.

No...? Not really? Unless I missed something in the thread, the con bonus is only worth a tenth of the total stat. So unless you dump 30~40 points into CON, it's not going to have a major impact verses the 1d8~1d12 roll for HP. A couple extra points at most, especially since we only get 70 points to throw into stats at the start.

If you have high con, you'll have high health, and so on.

Only if you dump a ton of points into constitution, which is highly unlikely give how few points we get in the beginning. You need to dump 10 points to get an extra point of HP, which is a seventh of the number of points we get.

[kj1225]

Then how about, HP is half your Con + a d6 roll?

[USEC_OFFICER]

That... should work better. It depends a lot on how combat works, obviously, but anything bigger than a tenth would be nice. Even a quarter would work.