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[EnigmaticHat]

R'yleh in LA and MA are kinda BS in their own way.  They have multiple ways to kill commanders... but they're underwater, so retaliation is almost impossible.  Pretty nasty.  They're also the only underwater faction to get (worthwhile) amphibious large monsters and ranged units, because why give Oceania anything cool when there's a lovecraftian faction.  R'yleh in EA is pretty much incapable of winning the game, but then its so different as to barely deserve the name.  Apparently there's an underwater update coming so hopefully they'll all be nice and balanced after that.

Anyway, there's an actual thread for this

[Cthulhu]

NOnetheless they're another domkill nation that tends to take nasty scales (Though I seem to remember one of r'lyeh's flaws being that it can't actually go heinous on the scales like Ermor and Lemuria) and nasty high-dominion nations tend to be priority targets.

[BFEL]

R'lyeh is sorta actually a really shitty civ. Their mages suck on land. They're only good if the majority of the world is underwater.

So they're only really good in the real world where we are totally unprepared? Good to know.

[mainiac]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Rebellion

Rebels start out hidden, Empire starts at the middle of the map with a bigger fleet.  Rebels try to build up before the empire can consolidate the core and become unstoppable, empire tries to hunt rebels down.  Victory conditions are capturing enemy leaders and nuking their capital.

[Bohandas]

Warlock: Master of the Arcane has several different victory conditions and different AI players pursue different victory types as their primary goal. Different players also control different races of fantasy creat7res which each have their own onique units and differently ordered build trees

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Warlock: Master of the Arcane has several different victory conditions and different AI players pursue different victory types as their primary goal. Different players also control different races of fantasy creat7res which each have their own onique units and differently ordered build trees

But my question with these games with different victory conditions, is whether it creates opportunities for synergies ? (something worthless for you is extremelly for someone else, and thus you are encouraged to work together)

[Majestic7]

In sovereignty, some of these exist pre-written into the conditions. For example, eastern portion of the map is dominated by an old, decadent empire. There is a small, bustling citystate at its southern extreme, the empire being a bulwark against other nations. The fluff is that the merchant-princes and spy masters of the city state manipulate the empire. This is directly tied to the victory conditions; the city state can only win by ensuring the empire exists and thrives to the end of the game.

[Rakonas]

Fall from Heaven 2. (Mod for Civ 4)

Almost every civ is very unique with very different strategies of progress. You can straight up attempt to win by causing hell on earth. Basically if the apocalypse happens the evilest player wins.

[Sonlirain]

Warlock: Master of the Arcane has several different victory conditions and different AI players pursue different victory types as their primary goal. Different players also control different races of fantasy creat7res which each have their own onique units and differently ordered build trees

But my question with these games with different victory conditions, is whether it creates opportunities for synergies ? (something worthless for you is extremelly for someone else, and thus you are encouraged to work together)

There are special resources strewn around the map. Donkey pumpkins. elven/dwarven villages ETC and each race has a unique use for them.

Also there is something similar to what you said in Call to power.
There are luxury goods thrown all around the world and each luxury good brings more profit the more you have so 1 pearl is worth 5 gold per turn but if you import extra pearls to your city each subsequent one will be worth more then the last meaning that you WANT to get ALLLLLL the pearls in that one city making perals far more valuable for you than anyone else.

Additionally the game has a wide slew of non combat unitsl ike lawyers teleevangelists and corporations ETC who let you debuff foreign cities by leeching money and production.

[Un67]

How about Conquest of Elysium 3, made by Illwinter Games.? Although everyone in the game has more or less the same goal (eliminate all the other players), they can do so in quite different ways. All classes do this by flagging resource nodes and building or summoning armies, but they can do this through various different ways. Several classes have unique resources that other classes cannot collect, which allow them to do unique summons. For example, the Demonologist can make sacrifices to summon and bind demons, whereas the Warlock can use magical gems to summon elemental creatures. The gameplay can be quite different for some classes, like the Dwarf Queen, which basically sets up nests in mountains where dwarves are hatched, and the Voice of El, who can convert settlements to El and cause the apocalypse by breaking open the seven seals. It's definitely worth trying out, even if the combat system can be infuriating at times.

[Mephisto]

Creeper World 3 is pretty asymmetric, though you can't play against anyone.

There's the human and the creeper. Human can place 1-3 bases, build power generation, a bunch of different types of weapons, and use anti-creeper goo created from mined ore. Creeper can build things on specific points to create more creeper, place down mesh on top of creeper to make it harder to get rid of and spread faster, and spore launchers to launch creeper from a distance. Think of creeper as kind of like grey goo.

The story is from the perspective of the last surviving human but a bunch of user-created maps are marked PaC (play as creeper).

[Zangi]

Everybody in late era does death magic.  But yeah, if you want to be the supervillain you gotta expect everybody to treat you like the supervillain.  Same with R'lyeh and C'tis.

It's not out yet (fingers crossed) but That Which Sleeps promises to be a very asymmetric strategy game.  Imagine Majesty's quests and autonomous heroes joined up with a simplified Crusader Kings nobility and character simulation, but you're playing Sauron.  Manipulate the personalities and relationships of otherwise autonomous characters with their own lives distinct from their relationship to you playing the game, ensure the world is too weak to resist your return.  If that doesn't work, do the actual strategy game thing and invade with legions of orcs and undead and other horrors.  The only strategy game I know of that lets you infiltrate the enemy army and control both sides.

Don't forget the endless simulation mode(or is it called something else?)... if you lose, well, lets just say that your defeated Sauron is not the only possible big bad in the world.

[sambojin]

Alpha Cenaturi had a smattering of this. Everyone was after the same goals, but the likelihood of achieving them varied with different factions, with various synergies available for different coalitions in MP.

Stars! was a better example. While conquest/destruction was the only goal, different races would achieve this in different ways. Habitatibility of planets, attack/defense superiority, swarm or builder civs would make your blob on the map develop quite differently to others, even if the methods were similar. Only relevant in MP, but huge synergies and expertises were apparent in team games and racial builds, even if the basic tech and options tended to be pretty similar for all. A space demolitionist defended differently to an interstellar traveller, wide empires vs tall, different tech items, scanning and stealth options all made it somewhat "differently" symmetric, if not properly asymmetric in the actual warfare sections.

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Stars! was a better example. While conquest/destruction was the only goal, different races would achieve this in different ways. Habitatibility of planets, attack/defense superiority, swarm or builder civs would make your blob on the map develop quite differently to others, even if the methods were similar. Only relevant in MP, but huge synergies and expertises were apparent in team games and racial builds, even if the basic tech and options tended to be pretty similar for all. A space demolitionist defended differently to an interstellar traveller, wide empires vs tall, different tech items, scanning and stealth options all made it somewhat "differently" symmetric, if not properly asymmetric in the actual warfare sections.

Ok. Interresting. So that assymetry and potential synergies are not apparent, but emerge when player start to understand what they are doing.
Stars! and such games require a huge involvement though...

[sambojin]

Yeah. It's a MP only thing, and it's turn based PBEM, so get ready for a month-long match. But team games really are great in Stars!