Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[PatrikLundell]

Do you have to treat the complete spire as hazardous, or is there a level above which the danger never manifests itself? Some potential levels:
- Anything on a third cavern level
- Above the top of the magma sea
- Above the top SMR level of the spire (i.e. the potential for danger starts once the spire dips into the SMR anywhere (as seen from above, obviously).
- The lowest magma sea level (i.e. every level completely enclosed by SMR is potentially dangerous)

It would greatly simplify work if the answer was the last one, for instance, since it would mean you wouldn't have to deal with the unsafe parts of the spire blocking your obsidianization of the sea.

Edit: Changed title due to demand.

[Larix]

The whole spire is hazardous. The only safe level is the absolute top one of the spire. HFS can show up at the height of the third caverns.

If your framerate can handle it, you can take a look by carving a fortification into a wall of the tube. HFS _usually_ can't find a way through a fortified wall.

[PatrikLundell]

Thanks for the answer!

If you mine out the fortification, will you then recover the adamantine, or is it lost in the process? Mostly curious, as I'll probably do it the traditional way anyway (dig down as far as possible [and safe], and then oh so slowly shear off one level at a time and recover the mined adamantine until "oops" happens, at which time the miner has to run and the drawbridge is closed [a couple of additional lever pulls will shunt the clowns into the prepared clown elimination track]).

[vjmdhzgr]

Demons obviously can't climb up a spire with no room for a hole in the middle.

[smakemupagus]

Peeking for hollowness via fortifications isn't the traditional way?    Yes you still recover the boulder, btw.

[PatrikLundell]

MY traditional way is to mine the (current) top level off the spire and say "oops", run, and close the drawbridge if a hole is revealed. I switch to this mode only after I've mined all of the "safe" parts. It's worse with the following spires, though, since you'll have to supervise the miner, as no big warning sign appears when you make a breach.
I'm not too keen on the fortification method because the buggers will still roast/syndrome blast/... anyone in reach through the fortification, and I assume the dorfs will still get scared even if those particular clowns cannot get at them.
I made a very silly trap trying to see if falling GCS webs could be used as a weapon. The clowns roasted both the undead goblin bait and the spider through the fortifications. (And no, I didn't see any effects from the webs).

[Broken]

Note that the hollow tube is always 2x2 in size. Thus, is safe to mine anything out of 4x4 formations. You can usually get all the
candy you need that way.

[nanomage]

Note that the hollow tube is always 2x2 in size. Thus, is safe to mine anything out of 4x4 formations. You can usually get all the
candy you need that way.

This and the spire has to maintain 2x2 open space all the way up, so it's safe to mine everything which is farther than 1 tile from confirmed empty space on the level below.

[Eldin00]

Note that the hollow tube is always 2x2 in size. Thus, is safe to mine anything out of 4x4 formations. You can usually get all the
candy you need that way.

This and the spire has to maintain 2x2 open space all the way up, so it's safe to mine everything which is farther than 1 tile from confirmed empty space on the level below.

Unless I misunderstand your meaning, this isn't quite right. Each level with open space will have a single 2x2 open space. But this can be offset from the open space on the level above or below by 1 tile in any direction (including diagonally). So at z+/-1, digging 1 tile away from open space on z can breach the tube. However, with the application of a bit of logic, once you find a level which only has a single possible 4x4 block (and thus 1 possible location for any open space), you can usually work out the location where any open space will be in adjacent z-levels, and then continue working up/down from there to work it out for the whole spire (this doesn't confirm whether any open space is present at a particular level, only where it would be if present). This can let you mine out quite a bit of safe adamantine without actually opening up any view into the interior of the tube or the things below..

[NW_Kohaku]

First off, this thread's title is a spoiler.  Please edit the thread's first post to change the subject, and mention that it is a spoiler thread.  (Especially in the help forum, you should be careful about spoiling things for new players...)

I made a very silly trap trying to see if falling GCS webs could be used as a weapon. The clowns roasted both the undead goblin bait and the spider through the fortifications. (And no, I didn't see any effects from the webs).

GCS webs can affect a demon as far as I know. Loud Whispers has caged demons before using webbed traps, although I believe that used a webbing FB.  Still, I don't believe there is any difference in the function of webs.

You simply need to use a retracting bridge (or a series of them as an "airlock") to drop the webs from a safe spot.  Retracting bridges are a special way to move webs while keeping their function, as webs are otherwise capable of levitating in midair. 

Amusingly, webber demons can actually easily kill their compatriots when they web midair, as other demons will fly into the webs, which causes them to stop flying, and slam into either hard slade or the glowing pits.  Either one is a guaranteed kill.

[PatrikLundell]

What is considered a spoiler is rather variable. I've previously been told off for NOT spelling things out.
Also, I was deliberately vague about the nature of safe harvesting, which unfortunately has led other posters to explain them (that info can be found on the wiki, appropriately in the spoiler part, if I recall correctly).

My web killing experiment was simply a normal silk farm with the manual release drawbridge at the bottom removed. However, the repeater driven top (and only) drawbridge failed to stop the clowns from flying up. I am aware of the possibility to make webbed traps, although I haven't (yet) tried to make any. I fully expect GCS enhanced cage traps to be functionally indistinguishable from FB webbed traps (apart from a possibility that some FB webs might be fire resistant).

[NW_Kohaku]

The HFS and cotton candy are THE spoilers of this game.  Please change the title.

[Eldin00]

The existence of adamantine can hardly be considered a spoiler, since it shows up in various workshop and stockpile menus, as well as in dwarven material preferences. It's just the details of how to safely mine it and what happens if you mine it unsafely that are spoilers.