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[Vertab Nukks]

Il Palazzo, please let us know that you approve of these amendments so we can put this to rest.  Thanks.

Updated to Reflect Hawkwood & Hazat Votes

Amendment I

"Herein Spies and Assassins shall specifically be named to include House Spies, members of the Slayers Guild, members of the House Van Gelder, and Genetically Engineered Assassins."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Yes
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote

Amendment II

"Imperial Eye Operatives or other Imperial Eye Assets (Spies, Van Gelder, etc.) must remain garrisoned within the Imperial Eye Compounds while on Byzantium Secundus, and may not perform covert operations outside of the Imperial Eye Compounds on Byzantium Secundus unless ordered by the sitting Regent to enforce this act ."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Yes
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote

Amendment III:

"Each Great House is authorized to garrison one spy unit at their embassy on Byzantium Secundus to detect any other Great House violating this Act to then publicly condemn them. If any Great House is condemned two or more times within two successive years  it will result in the Imperial Eye deployment of Operatives to investigate the situation and make a public verdict of the threat."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Yes
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote


We now need the Al-Malik decisions on these final amendments or propose any additional amendments to this act.

[Il Palazzo]

Do not fret, Vertab. All in due time.
I'll let you know that despite my occasional daft and lazy questions that might have lead you think otherwise, I actually do read all that is posted here and keep tabs on outstanding issues.
Also, I remember each and every insult, be it crude and direct or snarky and veiled, hurled against Ibn Don's persona.

Also, it's past midnight here, so I probably won't get the turn in before tomorrow.

[sk128234]

((FYI, I will be on a bus from Boston to Bangor tomorrow evening...if I get the file and my internet cooperates, I will be glad to have something to do during the ride.  Otherwise I won't be available until Sunday or Monday evening.  Sorry if this holds things up ))

[sk128234]

Assembled dignitaries,

In the face of renewed hostilities between the House Hawkwood and the League, I must insist that we continue to strive for peace among the Houses and Factions of our Empire.  While we may be inclined only to see the warships and implements of death, it is easy to overlook the innocent clergygoers and bean counters (O! those mighty counters of beans) whose livelihoods we take with every assault and siege.

With the above considered, I present to the Assembly the following Decree, to minimize the impact to the bystanders of this senseless war, as well as to incentivize cooperation among us all:

Ecclestiastic and Economic Investment Act
WHEREAS lasting peace is desired with the True Believers and the Great Economists of this Empire; and
WHEREAS Great Houses continue to take possession of the men and machines of these groups;
NOW BE THE FOLLOWING DECREED:
1. All captures of Church or League space-faring ships to Great Houses must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
2. All captures of Church or League profit-generating officials (of at least 1000 Firebirds per annum) must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
3. Such announcements will specify the number of civilian (i.e. unarmed) and the number of military (i.e. armed) units captured.
4. This Act shall only apply to those Great Houses at war with the Church, or the League, or both at the time of enactment.
5. This Act shall cease to apply to a Great House when that House obtains peace with both the Church and the League, and announces this peace to the Imperial Assembly.

Your imminent thoughts are greatly appreciated, as every moment wasted is another innocent casualty on the road to peace.

Respectfully,
Lady Santiago, &c.
Second Regent of the Empire

[Vertab Nukks]

The Li Halan vote "Yes" to this act.

Assembled dignitaries,

In the face of renewed hostilities between the House Hawkwood and the League, I must insist that we continue to strive for peace among the Houses and Factions of our Empire.  While we may be inclined only to see the warships and implements of death, it is easy to overlook the innocent clergygoers and bean counters (O! those mighty counters of beans) whose livelihoods we take with every assault and siege.

With the above considered, I present to the Assembly the following Decree, to minimize the impact to the bystanders of this senseless war, as well as to incentivize cooperation among us all:

Ecclestiastic and Economic Investment Act
WHEREAS lasting peace is desired with the True Believers and the Great Economists of this Empire; and
WHEREAS Great Houses continue to take possession of the men and machines of these groups;
NOW BE THE FOLLOWING DECREED:
1. All captures of Church or League space-faring ships to Great Houses must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
2. All captures of Church or League profit-generating officials (of at least 1000 Firebirds per annum) must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
3. Such announcements will specify the number of civilian (i.e. unarmed) and the number of military (i.e. armed) units captured.
4. This Act shall only apply to those Great Houses at war with the Church, or the League, or both at the time of enactment.
5. This Act shall cease to apply to a Great House when that House obtains peace with both the Church and the League, and announces this peace to the Imperial Assembly.

Your imminent thoughts are greatly appreciated, as every moment wasted is another innocent casualty on the road to peace.

Respectfully,
Lady Santiago, &c.
Second Regent of the Empire

[Gollor]

"Emperor of the rising bureaucracy"

Decados accept this decree. However we want to notice that it is League and Church should report their captures, not the honor Great Houses who only defend their lands.

[Margrave]

Very well. House Hawkwood accepts this act.

I also full heartedly endorse House Decados amendment that the League and Holy Church announce any of their unlawful seizures of House retainers.

[Il Palazzo]

Goddamnit. Upon rereading the house rules, I've realised changing tax rate on cities is allowed. 20 years of sub-optimal production

A quick, related question: is it allowed to skim the tithes for that extra bit of income free of any consequences?

[Vertab Nukks]

You an adjust taxes and tithe to whatever amount that you want but like taxes the tithes will affect loyalty also if it is too high, but as the rules state never change unit pay or you lose the noble, knight battle bonus.

Goddamnit. Upon rereading the house rules, I've realised changing tax rate on cities is allowed. 20 years of sub-optimal production

A quick, related question: is it allowed to skim the tithes for that extra bit of income free of any consequences?

[Il Palazzo]

Wait, thithe skim affects loyalty? Are you sure?

[Vertab Nukks]

Yes, I just read it from the original EFS manual, here is what it says "The more you tax your fiefs, and the more you skim from the Church affects your approval level."

Wait, thithe skim affects loyalty? Are you sure?

[Il Palazzo]

Can you run a test game and see if it does anything, 'cause I'm pretty sure it didn't in any of my previous games of EoFS. I think the manual might be wrong in this respect (which is not unusual after all).

I can't do it myself, since I've got my turn loaded.

[Vertab Nukks]

Running it now.

Can you run a test game and see if it does anything, 'cause I'm pretty sure it didn't in any of my previous games of EoFS. I think the manual might be wrong in this respect (which is not unusual after all).

I can't do it myself, since I've got my turn loaded.

[Vertab Nukks]

Good news, I captured the Church on Kish, and raised the tithe the next turn the ran it four more turns and it did not affect peasant loyalty.  Another typical EFS bug.  So, I guess we can all now Tithe to the maximum.

Can you run a test game and see if it does anything, 'cause I'm pretty sure it didn't in any of my previous games of EoFS. I think the manual might be wrong in this respect (which is not unusual after all).

I can't do it myself, since I've got my turn loaded.

[Il Palazzo]

Turn sent.

Spoiler: laws (click to show/hide)

Amendment I

"Herein Spies and Assassins shall specifically be named to include House Spies, members of the Slayers Guild, members of the House Van Gelder, and Genetically Engineered Assassins."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Yes
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote

Amendment II

"Imperial Eye Operatives or other Imperial Eye Assets (Spies, Van Gelder, etc.) must remain garrisoned within the Imperial Eye Compounds while on Byzantium Secundus, and may not perform covert operations outside of the Imperial Eye Compounds on Byzantium Secundus unless ordered by the sitting Regent to enforce this act ."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Awaiting Vote
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote

Amendment II-b:

"Each Great House is authorized to garrison one spy unit at their embassy on Byzantium Secundus to detect any other Great House violating this Act to then publicly condemn them. If any Great House is condemned two or more times within two successive years  it will result in the Imperial Eye deployment of Operatives to investigate the situation and make a public verdict of the threat."

Li Halan - Yes
Hazat - Awaiting Vote
Decados -Yes
Hawkwood - Yes
Al-Malik - Awaiting Vote

House al-Malik agrees to all of those amendments. The last one is hardly a necessity, thought, as there are plenty of better and morally pristine ways of gathering intelligence than keeping a spy in one's compound. House Turniskron, Manitou Irregulars, etc., all provide very good services and can be used to monitor other houses' behaviour in the Capital. But anyway, the amendment is benign, so I'll accept it for the sake of finally getting this thing through.

Assembled dignitaries,

In the face of renewed hostilities between the House Hawkwood and the League, I must insist that we continue to strive for peace among the Houses and Factions of our Empire.  While we may be inclined only to see the warships and implements of death, it is easy to overlook the innocent clergygoers and bean counters (O! those mighty counters of beans) whose livelihoods we take with every assault and siege.

With the above considered, I present to the Assembly the following Decree, to minimize the impact to the bystanders of this senseless war, as well as to incentivize cooperation among us all:

Ecclestiastic and Economic Investment Act
WHEREAS lasting peace is desired with the True Believers and the Great Economists of this Empire; and
WHEREAS Great Houses continue to take possession of the men and machines of these groups;
NOW BE THE FOLLOWING DECREED:
1. All captures of Church or League space-faring ships to Great Houses must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
2. All captures of Church or League profit-generating officials (of at least 1000 Firebirds per annum) must be announced to the Imperial Assembly.
3. Such announcements will specify the number of civilian (i.e. unarmed) and the number of military (i.e. armed) units captured.
4. This Act shall only apply to those Great Houses at war with the Church, or the League, or both at the time of enactment.
5. This Act shall cease to apply to a Great House when that House obtains peace with both the Church and the League, and announces this peace to the Imperial Assembly.

Your imminent thoughts are greatly appreciated, as every moment wasted is another innocent casualty on the road to peace.

Respectfully,
Lady Santiago, &c.
Second Regent of the Empire

House al-Malik is against this law. We've got enough bureaucracy as it is. We can promise to brag about the more flashy of our successes, but we're not inclined to do such detailed bookkeeping as is required in the law.

Besides, isn't it the job of the Eye to track those things and divulge what's needed to the rest of the Empire?

If anything, it should be the Church and the League who ought to report their losses, and if they fail to do so, then perhaps it wasn't all that important in the first place.

Being the Garrison Commander is a heavy burden, but one that needs to be carried for the sake of Humanity. House al-Malik will provide its best assistance in fighting the Symbiot menace on Stigmata and, if Pantokrator allows, beyond.

To better perform our duties, we ask the previous Garrison Commander to transmit Stigmata maps.

So far we've ascertained that the Symbiot presence is heavy, but already the imperial troops under our guidance have managed to burn one of the hives to the ground. There's many more to go, and the resources are scarce, but we are hopeful.


As for the Patriarch excommunicating me - that's just par for the course for this spineless, hateful pseudo-pope. May he burn in hell and, generally speaking, fuck this guy. What a douche. I'd fire him on the spot if I were running this business.

Whomever bribed him is a dick as well.

-Ibn Donald