Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[cephalo]

For years I have considered forcing my dwarves to drink water as a slightly shameful situation, a sign of hard times. Unless they are in a hospital bed, water is for washing.

These new alcohol syndrome changes, along with the dwarven 'drunks' from the last major update seem to herald a rather large cultural change for dwarves. Is alcohol actually... harmful to them?

[Chaia]

Well, dwarves are by definition alcohol powered parasitic beards, which will cling to small caveadapt humanoids.
So if they are "drunk", their beards are actually just full of energy. I doubt this will be harmful to the host.

[sirvente]

A wholesome marriage with maybe a little fun on the side to keep the dwarven race going

[DG]

I'm with you Op, I'm waiting to see what this change actually means for DF dwarves. I liked the (mistaken?) idea that they had a special relationship with alcohol. Now it seems that they will just be able to drink a bit more before getting drunk like the rest. I don't know how I feel about that yet, if it turns out to be the case.

[Calidovi]

Well, dwarves are by definition alcohol powered parasitic beards, which will cling to small caveadapt humanoids.
So if they are "drunk", their beards are actually just full of energy. I doubt this will be harmful to the host.

Is this why dwarves are so combustible? Their beards ignite easily due to the immense percentage of alcohol?

[NJW2000]

No reason for all these "drunk" shenanagins... in the14th century the water was so bad people in England drank ale instead as it was safer... I reckon dwarves only get frunk for special occasions, like parties....

Personally, I find the idea of a "drunk" dwarf more than a little disturbing.

Now what I would love is the bar system letting visitors get smashed, lose inhibitions and join the dwarven partying/ wake up a fort member/ get hastily conscripted/ have all their belongings lost.

Which reminds me, anyone know if in the new update, visitors will pay for rooms?

[NW_Kohaku]

I suspect the "immoderation" personality trait will have a large hand in it. 

Generally, I think it will be a little like "going on break" - there's some random chance that dwarves get totally smashed, and have negative impacts on their behavior, but it's mostly a nuisance issue with a few heavy drinkers, and some light drinkers are just fine.

[Chaia]

Well, dwarves are by definition alcohol powered parasitic beards, which will cling to small caveadapt humanoids.
So if they are "drunk", their beards are actually just full of energy. I doubt this will be harmful to the host.

Is this why dwarves are so combustible? Their beards ignite easily due to the immense percentage of alcohol?

Correct.


Another good addition would be that dwarves just need a LOT more alcohol to actually get drunk. The usual amount they drink to get over their thirst (about 1 unit of beer/month) would never suffice to get them drunk. But if dwarves to decide to party hard at the *gold statue* in the legendary dining room, they should get drunk. Sooner or later

[Cruxador]

I think that their relationship with alcohol is less that of an American and more that of a Spaniard.* Your typical dwarf doesn't drink himself under the table and wind. up incapacitated for the rest of the evening and the next morning, with no memories of his behavior and a copious amount of vomit smeared down his front. Instead, he has a mug or two with his meal, and would have three or four  more at a celebratory feast, but even then not badly enough to do more than sleep in a bit the next morning. Since they're dwarves with triple-sized livers these might be those nice big German mugs, not a little pint glass, but the idea is the same.


*I'm going off stereotypes here I know; this doesn't apply to everyone of either nationality but I think it's a nice culture parallel anyway.

[Funk]

There also one part drunken Scots man, a healthy dram of whisky is just part of getting up in the morning.

[StagnantSoul]

I think it's a symbiotic relationship.

[Naryar]

They see alcohol as water, and water as alcohol. No, really.

Also probably functional alcoholics.

I agree with Kohaku that the immoderation trait should play a large part of the dwarf's behavior to alcohol. And yeah, dwarves should drink more at parties.

The less immoderate dwarves will drink regularly but not too much, and hence will never be drunk, or maybe tipsy at worst (in parties) : the more immoderate dwarves will drink five units of alcohol in a row, get utterly trashed, do random Fun stuff around the fort and pass out. If they haven't had !!Fun!! with magma in a drunken craze, started a fistfight with a legendary soldier and promptly get their skull crushed, pull levers at random (OOOOH BOY), or die from alcohol poisoning. Alcohol-fueled loyalty cascades ? Why not ?

Yeah, the next update is gonna be exceedingly fun. I expect people will start filter dwarves according to their immoderation attribute. Or, strictly control their alcohol supplies (automatic booze supplier ?), maybe even force dwarves to drink water (the horror !) and make them drink alcohol at certain intervals (how could they ? it's torture !) to avoid slowdown/bad thoughts.

Let's not speak about the impact of this over anyone with an active justice system... or anyone who actually does host parties for their dwarves...

[Ghills]

I'll probably mod out dwarven drunks.

Dwarves aren't humans. Basing their biochemistry and relationships on human models is illogical, and makes the game feel less unique.

[NeedsDF2GetThruWorkingDay]

I'll probably mod out dwarven drunks.

Dwarves aren't humans. Basing their biochemistry and relationships on human models is illogical, and makes the game feel less unique.

[Naryar]

I'll probably mod out dwarven drunks.

Dwarves aren't humans. Basing their biochemistry and relationships on human models is illogical, and makes the game feel less unique.

lol wat

Dwarves are basically smaller, tougher, hairier humans with larger livers and different culture and tech. They are certainly mammalian, so their biochemistry should be 99% the same as humans. Maybe some differences in regards to alcohol processing.

Not to mention they seem to have exactly the same kind of relationships that humans do have, with some cultural differences (obsessed with nice craftsdwarfship, notably).

So I don't know how you can say that.