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Author Topic: BYOR 14 - Night 4: A Tie-ght Race  (Read 77783 times)

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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #495 on: July 15, 2015, 11:49:10 pm »

My vote for ToonyMan was based on him getting stronger with the resurrect and the strong townread I've had on him. I'll note that my vote does nothing if his resurrect just fires by itself and doesn't make him stronger- however, if ToonyMan has been lying the entire time and doesn't have any resurrects remaining, he does die, and I think it's more likely that mafia would lie about that kind of thing. I'm leaving my vote on him until I have someone else to vote for (worst case scenario, he gets lynched and nothing happens, which is the same as me voting to not lynch anybody functionally.) Shakerag, are you willing to explain why I'm your top scumpick?
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #496 on: July 16, 2015, 12:06:17 am »

@_@


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...Uh, dudes?
I think that despite the rule saying we CAN speak until the hammer falls, we're like...y'know, not able to VOTE OR CHANGE VOTES because it was day end, hours before.
If what I know is right, that means everyone after...
I guess I'll claim now. I'm the Second Law of Thermodynamics. When I die, I can choose to revive anyone who dies during the next phase (regardless of whether or not I get lynched and when I die; all that has to happen is me dying). They don't get deadchat access, but they do appear to flip. I don't mind getting lynched, but it might help us more if someone else (minus Toonyman and 4mask who seem to be immune to it) was lynched instead.
This post.

Meaning
Super.

Choo choo!  TDS for the usual reason of trying to avoid last-minute vote shenanigans.

Plus what I said above.
This is the last valid VOTE. [Posting is all cool]
Meaning TDS is lynched.

Now...I'd like the remaining time to -also- discuss your plan TDS, if in the event that my above reasoning is sound. Because in the least, I'd think that the 'day end timer' has more merit in affecting mechanics here :P

Welp.  Not so convinced towards a TDS lynch right now. 

Cheeetar is my top scumpick, potentially aside from those with claimed resurrects.
Reasons kuya :o
I mean, you could've suspected me...given my everything. But you didn't. Cheeet is higher above me or everyone else--so the 'why' is left out. :P

...So, like, why?
Also why do claimed resurrects claim what seems to be an 'extreme' spot on the scumpick list? It seems...weird.

I get that possible-fakeclaim-scum, but the CLAIMED resurrectors are -tied- together in their claim [Toony/4mask], to note. [4mask should be the one being initially voted because HE was the one who claimed to copy Toony's role--this is validated because Toony just cross-checked him and 4mask is passing pretty peachy; I've thought of the assumption that he may be scum and are feeding off the info from another person-scenario thing, but this...is weird given the 3 man scumteam DEAD...]

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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #497 on: July 16, 2015, 01:02:46 am »

My vote for ToonyMan was based on him getting stronger with the resurrect and the strong townread I've had on him. I'll note that my vote does nothing if his resurrect just fires by itself and doesn't make him stronger- however, if ToonyMan has been lying the entire time and doesn't have any resurrects remaining, he does die, and I think it's more likely that mafia would lie about that kind of thing. I'm leaving my vote on him until I have someone else to vote for (worst case scenario, he gets lynched and nothing happens, which is the same as me voting to not lynch anybody functionally.)
Why did you mention Toony > 4mask? Given the comparison (showing my understanding of it) above, wouldn't you be targeting the one who is making the claim FROM the origin instead of the origin instead [because that implicates...two people].
Err, I mean from what I know--4mask basically copied Toony, and we didn't know anything about Toony [unless I skipped a post, my memory is skipping when I'm pressured {RL duties} x_x] before until 4mask came out with info about his resurrects and all that.
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #498 on: July 16, 2015, 01:19:28 am »

We don't know anything about Toony apart from all his posts n his votes n stuff. You know, the important things.
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #499 on: July 16, 2015, 01:44:20 am »

We don't know anything about Toony apart from all his posts n his votes n stuff. You know, the important things.
We knew those from 4mask's notes about Toony. And given that Toony is in agreement with him--we can say that 4mask has a legitimate copy of Toony's...err, self. Role. Ability. Whatever he did anyway. I'd be linking D4 start but I'm out of time here x_x Sorry and apologies ahead.
[Also the > sign = 'over']
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #500 on: July 16, 2015, 02:18:04 am »

Tiruin, how would someone get hammered if people couldn't change their votes? The official ruling is that the day isn't over until webadict ends it, and you seem awfully concerned about someone getting lynched that would actually provide information to the town.
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #501 on: July 16, 2015, 02:24:31 am »

Tiruin, how would someone get hammered if people couldn't change their votes? The official ruling is that the day isn't over until webadict ends it, and you seem awfully concerned about someone getting lynched that would actually provide information to the town.
*Tiruin facepalms.
There's a TIMER.
Timer = how long day is.
We've been talking way past day end.
So I'm REALLY CURIOUS how VOTES ARE STILL ABLE TO CHANGE when the DAY TIMER has ended -_-

I'm talking about mechanics here @_@ If that wasn't obvious:

I should introduce you to the wonderful world of subtext, a chara Deus Asmoth. :P
Though, y'know, you could just say
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The official ruling is that the day isn't over until webadict ends it, and you seem awfully concerned about someone getting lynched that would actually provide information to the town.
But let me highlight the weird thing.
...Err. I wonder how you jumped to that conclusion when I've hints that I'm moving for the lynch to uncover several details
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With the second note pertaining to current discussion and its direction from my PoV. :)
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #502 on: July 16, 2015, 06:56:48 am »

Toony:
Supposedly it was a one-shot, though. You think that suffers from the same issue?
It was a one-shot because he killed and copied my role. :P
How did you know this?

The best idea I can think of now is if somebody could inspect myself and 4maskwolf tonight. Nobody try to kill us. Well, you can kill me if you want, but don't try to kill 4maskwolf.
God damn it. Unvote.


4mask:
I just realized IO asked me sommat.

IronyOwl: a multitude of reasons.  One: by the time I actually realized the implications of ToonyMan trying to clear Cheeet, I was already convinced that Shamrock was mafia, and I didn't want to derail the lynch.  Two: I didn't want him lynched so that I could stealify his role, because I hate being that vigilante who randomkills.  And three, because if he was a mafia-ally I didn't want to tip him off too much that I was onto him: testing a theory sounds a lot less threatening than "you're a scum ally you scummy scum scum".

Why I've been ignoring it?  I've not been.  I missed the question and you never gave me a copy of it until now.  I don't ignore questions.
How'd you miss it? It was right below the one you noticed.

Everyone who has voted for me: Explain to me, in concise terms, what the case you have on me is.
You're evasive and scheming, both at night and in explanation of yourself. You claimed that you showed up as scum to inspects only when it benefited you, kept incriminating information to yourself so you could murder the target instead of scumhunting them, ignored queries as to the reasoning behind your actions while answering different queries, and became prickly when pressured to boot.

So, it's time to take a little journey into speculation land!
Interesting. This doesn't explain very much if you're not scum, though.


Deus Asmoth:
Deus:
Ironyowl: Tooney. He was doing his best to looks as scummy as possible towards the end of yesterday, which doesn't exactly fit into his claim of trying to get the scumteam to night kill him. Shamrock being scum points towards Tooney being flabort's new mafia ally, and while it's not the ideal lynch it's still better than not lynching him.
So... why vote him at the start of the day, then sit on it doing literally nothing, and only explain this now?

That bit about the deflation wasn't rhetorical, by the way. Why did you mind me lurking through the game, but weren't bothered by several people, yourself included, lurking through the day?
Because lurking throughout the game is worse than lurking throughout a single day? And of course, Tiruin had been questioned by two people beforehand which you had clearly noticed.
In what way? How would you rate Tiruin, DarkStar, and your own contributions to the game so far?

And my reasons for voting for Tooney were clear enough when I did it yesterday.
Tooney
That's some pretty bizarre reasoning. OSG turning out to be a member of the mafia doesn't negate what suspicion there was on BMC just because he had the most votes prior to the redirect.
Meaning?
My deeply hidden and difficult to discern meaning was that OSG turning out to be a member of the mafia doesn't negate what suspicion there was on BMC just because he had the most votes prior to the redirect and you acting as though it does seems bizarre to me. What's your opinion on Cheeetar's vote on Shakerag?
And you felt confident just sort of sitting on this for a vote until it went through, before switching to TDS because... you have no actual targets but lack the stones to just call for a nolynch outright?

Oh wait, Tiruin said something dumb. You actually suspect she may be scum or just trying to find ways to pass the time?


Shakerag:
IronyOwl:  Have you considered Lenglon as worth the effort of paying attention to yet?
Yes. Her mechanical analysis is not very impressive and I see almost no actual scumhunting. I don't like it.

I really don't want to blow another extend, so can we see some convictions come out?
Yeah.

However, why exclude Lenglon? Do you have a better read on her than you do Tiruin or Perseus?

IronyOwl - Basically Tiruin, but with a bit more town feel.  However, since this is IronyOwl, I can't trust a town vibe from him, because experience.
This makes me feel warm and fuzzy.


Tiruin:
Lenglon has thus far pursued and caught scum--given the context of her wording and situation, it was a vague and totally out of nowhere set, with all variables in play leaning neutral and which fully depended on how she played her wording; a mafia Bus is out of the question here.
She has?

...

Mm, 5th vote on BMC out of I think 7 cast, one of four people remaining on it until day end. First Shamrock vote, out of three remaining until lynch. Points for being the only one trying to lynch both BMC and his replacement all the way through, I suppose, though I'm not sure it speaks to her incredible scumhunting ability to bandwagon an easy target D1 and rebandwagon their replacement the next morning.


Cheeetar:
My vote for ToonyMan was based on him getting stronger with the resurrect and the strong townread I've had on him. I'll note that my vote does nothing if his resurrect just fires by itself and doesn't make him stronger- however, if ToonyMan has been lying the entire time and doesn't have any resurrects remaining, he does die, and I think it's more likely that mafia would lie about that kind of thing. I'm leaving my vote on him until I have someone else to vote for (worst case scenario, he gets lynched and nothing happens, which is the same as me voting to not lynch anybody functionally.) Shakerag, are you willing to explain why I'm your top scumpick?
Ah, the ol' No Lynch. Favored tool of D1 noobs, desperate MYLO vets, bizarre hyper-specific power shenanigan warlocks, and absolutely no one else.

When you do predict a new lynch target will wander into your open yet stationary maw?
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #503 on: July 16, 2015, 08:08:43 am »

So, can someone explain the TDS is a time bomb thing to me?
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #504 on: July 16, 2015, 09:43:25 am »

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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #505 on: July 16, 2015, 02:17:24 pm »

So, can someone explain the TDS is a time bomb thing to me?
I walk over towards perseus and draw in front of him:
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I vote TDS. TDS respond die anyway. TDS scum - FakeClaim fails unless win tonight. TDS notscum - lynch nohurt. ScumTDS = bomb.
TDS claim onevote nopressure. many votes idle/invalid. My vote active/valid. Somepressure. Manywagon. unsure. no target better.
Cheetarcase odd. townyD1 so scumnow? nocase.
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #506 on: July 16, 2015, 02:28:38 pm »

So, can someone explain the TDS is a time bomb thing to me?
I walk over towards perseus and draw in front of him:
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I vote TDS. TDS respond die anyway. TDS scum - FakeClaim fails unless win tonight. TDS notscum - lynch nohurt. ScumTDS = bomb.
TDS claim onevote nopressure. many votes idle/invalid. My vote active/valid. Somepressure. Manywagon. unsure. no target better.
Cheetarcase odd. townyD1 so scumnow? nocase.
Say TDS is scum.  Isn't it a bit odd for him to panic and claim he's going to die anyway after just one vote?  You'd expect someone to pull the whole "don't lynch me, I'm going to die anyway" bit if they're a clear leader in the votes, which TDS wasn't.

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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #507 on: July 16, 2015, 03:52:07 pm »

I nod and underline one word I drew earlier.
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I vote TDS. TDS respond die anyway. TDS scum - FakeClaim fails unless win tonight. TDS notscum - lynch nohurt. ScumTDS = bomb.
TDS claim onevote nopressure. many votes idle/invalid. My vote active/valid. Somepressure. Manywagon. unsure. no target better.
Cheetarcase odd. townyD1 so scumnow? nocase.
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #508 on: July 16, 2015, 06:16:15 pm »

I nod and underline one word I drew earlier.
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I vote TDS. TDS respond die anyway. TDS scum - FakeClaim fails unless win tonight. TDS notscum - lynch nohurt. ScumTDS = bomb.
TDS claim onevote nopressure. many votes idle/invalid. My vote active/valid. Somepressure. Manywagon. unsure. no target better.
Cheetarcase odd. townyD1 so scumnow? nocase.
So find target better? Your case on TDS is "He did some scummy stuff, then claimed he was gonna die anyway, which OH MY GOD THERE'S A BOMB PROBABLY I GUESS KIND OF well worst case we waste a lynch for absolutely no benefit, no harm there."

Why not kill Cheeetar instead? Or someone trying to kill Cheeetar? Or somebody trying to lurk by without expressing an opinion on killing Cheeetar? Or directly ask anyone a question about how they feel on The Issue of Cheeetar?
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Re: BYOR 14 - Day 4: No, There's Not Really Zombies. Stop Asking.
« Reply #509 on: July 16, 2015, 06:45:58 pm »

Oh my god, I'm getting real sick of Wednesdays. Anyhow, I'm here now. I'll do a Day end really quickly for y'all.

I apologize for the delay.
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