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[Deus Asmoth]

I chase Lenglon around the beach, staring at him and giggling occasionally.

[Comrade Shamrock]

4mask:
Thank you for finding that. However I believe we are being mislead. Lenglon left out a significant portion of that post.

Lenglon:
Did you misrepresent the post in question on purpose? It makes up the basis of your vote. Yet his rant against OSG was in response to Cheetar.

Spoiler: Spot the discrepancy (click to show/hide)

Lenglon's accusation:

I prowl over to BMC and tap him on the shoulder, pulling out my phone:

OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation, whereas you've had suspicions and questions the whole time. And are you sure it'll show up as them having two votes? Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag:

I then play back three specific sound bytes yet again.

OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation,

Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag

After this, I pull a knife off my belt and point it at BMC, maintaining eye contact with him with my eyes narrowed.

Post off which it was based:

Cheeetar:You're at least putting in an effort, and I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes. OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation, whereas you've had suspicions and questions the whole time. And are you sure it'll show up as them having two votes? Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag: Where do I begin?

BMC:

Geez, guys.  On one hand you're all champing at the bit to kill me off or block me because I'm so dangerous, and then on the other hand you're trying to say my play is piss poor.  Can we make up our minds?

So the miller claim can do two things here. Cops can A) not inspect you and leave you to your own devices at night (which would no doubt be nice with the ridiculous shit you have cooked up) or B) they can inspect you and find out that you lied, or not believe you and waste an inspect. If you were town, you'd try and open up a path for the rest of us to clarify that you were.

But, anyway.  Rolefishing aside (as TDS noted), I am interpreting my abilities to say that, yes, I could be tracked although it is unlikely that you'd know what action I performed anyway. 

Did I ever ask about what your action was? Why would I want to know? As long as the person you visited doesn't die and flip town the next morning, I could really care less.

I liked how you pounced on OSG as a likely scapegoat for a D1 lynch.  I'm not a huge fan of D1 play, but if scum is just going to out themselves to me like that then I'll take it.

This is really funny, because me and OSG actually had the same amount of votes before you voted me, except I've actually been playing this entire time while he's been (maybe) restricted to broken english and complete inability to understand what's going on.

It seems like you don't want anybody really looking into what you're planning tonight, Shakerag. Hopefully you won't make it far enough to regret it when someone tracks you.

I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes.

Is this not relevant? Why was it excluded?

And you edited out that part when he addressed Shakerag. Makes things appear much worse than they are.

So I ask you, if at all possible, explain now.

Deus:

I chase Lenglon around the beach, staring at him and giggling occasionally.

What point and purpose does this serve? I'm okay with a joke but it comprises your entire post.

[Deus Asmoth]

It serves no purpose beyond my own amusement. Do you not think that BMC saying that OSG's behaviour is the scummiest thing in the game and then voting for someone else (as his last post before replacing out) is fairly suspicious?

[4maskwolf]

Yeah... sorry Comrade, I can see what you're talking about, but I don't see how BMC's points on Shakerag add up to scummier than "the biggest tell there is".  At best, it's a poorly timed OMGUS vote,  and despite my irritation with the overuse of OMGUS I'm confident in saying this was a scummy one.

[Lenglon]

I bring out my phone and play back the same soundbytes I played before when asked to state my case against BMC:

Spoiler: long (click to show/hide)

Everyone voting BMC: What is your case for voting him?

Also- whoever stole it, you should own up to it.

Cheetar

BMC:

You vote Cheeetar for asking about role info, but then you do the exact same thing later in the same post when you ask Shakerag for role info. Why?

Because finding out what someone can do with their role is advantageous to scum, finding out if you can confirm if someone is town or not via actions isn't.
...
OSG:

Blackmagechill, you didn't even wait for me to respond to your vote before switching to somebody else. Put a little conviction in.

Cheeetar:You're at least putting in an effort, and I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes. OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation, whereas you've had suspicions and questions the whole time. And are you sure it'll show up as them having two votes? Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag:

I then play back three soundbytes  of that last part once more.

OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation

Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag

After that, I point at my knife, then at BMC, then point at him several times more, then at one side of my lips then along my mouth over to the other side. and finally make an exaggerated shrug.

I then draw a final statement in the dirt.

Rest no matter. Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

((OOC: @Deus: her))

[Comrade Shamrock]

Deus:

It serves no purpose beyond my own amusement. Do you not think that BMC saying that OSG's behaviour is the scummiest thing in the game and then voting for someone else (as his last post before replacing out) is fairly suspicious?

How would you prefer I respond? I know blackmagechill was innocent. I can't explain his actions, that was his last post before he requested replacement. I can only try and present it in the best light but only BMC can actually explain his reasoning. Though, I will agree that it appears bad.

Lenglon:

Rest no matter. Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

You presented in such a way that someone who took your word without checking back that makes it look much worse. Say if I went back to skim back over it, it appears to check out. I might be surprised to see the large part addressed to Shakerag.  But why did you leave out this phrase it was directly related?

You're at least putting in an effort, and I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes.

This was just before and changes the nature of his response. He may have been attacking OSG, according to the man himself he was trying to pressure people with his votes. Maybe he planned to switch his vote to OSG later in the day.

Why does Cheetar's no response factor in?

TheDarkStar:
What's your perspective on this?

[TheDarkStar]

I've been gone for the last several days, so I haven't had a chance to post for a while.

TheDarkStar:
What's your perspective on this?

Comrade Shamrock: Why are you asking me? It looks suspiciously like you're buddying because I haven't had a major part in this today.

To answer the question, though: I'm still suspicious about you from BMC's actions yesterday. It's possible that BMC could have just been acting oddly and that you're town, but I wouldn't mind seeing you flip your role right now.

Lenglon: Your case on BMC/CS is kinda hard to understand. You present a lot of information, but it's not always clear how that information relates to BMC/CS's scumminess. You have a really annoying post restriction, but could you be a bit more clear? For example, in this quote::

Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

Why does it matter than cheeetar gave no response? What are you trying to say about Shakerag?

PPE: After reading through your case on BMC and CS's response, I find it odd how you edited the quoted part of the post to look really bad. It looks like you were trying to agree with people to look like you were town. BMC really was scummy, but your case is suspicious, to say the least.

[ToonyMan]

Why did you pick me to use your investigatory-ish action on, and why claim that you have one without a scum result, ToonyMan?

Why you ask? I'm not sharing, and I have multiple reasons for telling everybody, which I'm not sharing either.

Why do you ask that I ask?

What do you mean? That was a rhetoric question, it's fine.

It reads like you just want to claim you have some sorta investigatory stuff, and you haven't told us if you got any investigative results Night 1.

I wonder why? My results Night 1 was not useful.


4maskwolf

Oh...
Oh dear Shamrock
This is a tad concerning.
[...]
I know you can't really explain your predecessors actions, but this... this is too concerning for me not to vote.

Oh? Trying to start the bandwagon again?

[Tiruin]

PFP hello I'm alive ;_; sorry for absence

Shakerag: Are you ok with not dying or killing yourself?

Lenglon: I think I understand your post restriction

4maskwolf: What is the root cause of your suspicion on Shamrock?

Shakerag has come back to life!

Shakerag has committed suicide again. Seriously, Shakerag?

Also I somewhat feel like we're playing with one o' yer 'get to act when dead' roles but useless when alive -.- But that's me being biased from having seen such a role before, but forgot what game (...Urist Imiknorris was in it...). And the fact that you can self-suicide.
With either replicas of the one shot, or some kind of auto or whatever.

And I'm rambling and must tend to get my post back instead.

Is there a question in all of that?

Nope, I'm being flattened by RL. Also, moving for not making my reputation being 'leave post and will be back in 15 minutes'

[4maskwolf]

4maskwolf

Oh...
Oh dear Shamrock
This is a tad concerning.
[...]
I know you can't really explain your predecessors actions, but this... this is too concerning for me not to vote.

Oh? Trying to start the bandwagon again?

Not at all.  I'm agreeing that he's the scummiest person I've seen so far.  Two people does not a bandwagon make, and when I voted for him the only  other person I knew to be voting him when I did was Lenglon.

Tiruin: The fact that he railed against OSG's play, then voted Shakerag for incredibly OMGUS'y reasons.

[Lenglon]

Lenglon:

Rest no matter. Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

You presented in such a way that someone who took your word without checking back that makes it look much worse. Say if I went back to skim back over it, it appears to check out. I might be surprised to see the large part addressed to Shakerag.  But why did you leave out this phrase it was directly related?

You're at least putting in an effort, and I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes.

This was just before and changes the nature of his response. He may have been attacking OSG, according to the man himself he was trying to pressure people with his votes. Maybe he planned to switch his vote to OSG later in the day.

Why does Cheetar's no response factor in?

I underline part of what I drew earlier.

Rest no matter. Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

Lenglon: Your case on BMC/CS is kinda hard to understand. You present a lot of information, but it's not always clear how that information relates to BMC/CS's scumminess. You have a really annoying post restriction, but could you be a bit more clear? For example, in this quote::

Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

Why does it matter than cheeetar gave no response? What are you trying to say about Shakerag?

I again point to the sections that I just underlined.

Rest no matter. Cheetar no response -> no pressure. Shakerag part 1 crazy 2/3 defense.

I then draw something new

p1 wrong miller theory. p2 defense. p3 defense. all no matter.

PPE: After reading through your case on BMC and CS's response, I find it odd how you edited the quoted part of the post to look really bad. It looks like you were trying to agree with people to look like you were town. BMC really was scummy, but your case is suspicious, to say the least.

In response to this I pull out my phone and play the entire unedited speeches.

Spoiler: long (click to show/hide)

Also- whoever stole it, you should own up to it.

Cheetar:Why would anybody want to cough up role info this early in the game? I mean, unless you're worried if somebody could do you in with an extra vote without you knowing.

BMC: do you think the quote from the opening post

Even more bizarre was the parachute found in the engine that no one could identify as belonging to anyone.

is mechanically relevant to the game?

Pfft. Probably not. I mean, if it's impossible to identify, unless somebody claims to be a paratrooper or a melted GI Joe turncoat maybe, but I feel like that's unlikely.

Everyone:  Just as a kind of PSA thing, based on wording of things in my role, there may be a few (or more) abilities out there that can copy, steal, or remove abilities.  Also in the interest of disclosing information, I'm going to make a "pseudo-miller claim" such that my role prevents me from being inspected.  Also also, I'm town - not that I expect any of you to take me at my word.

Shakerag: Can you be tracked to prove that you didn't NK someone? Otherwise this looks like a piss poor scum attempt to avoid an inspect or an attempt to waste one to prove your point, either one being equally scummy, ridiculous role and circumstance bedamned.

flabort: I missed your question earlier, but I'd probably daykill OSG because he can contribute literally nothing to the day game of town. Knowing how these games usually run though he'd probably flip as a town medium or something similar.

BMC:

You vote Cheeetar for asking about role info, but then you do the exact same thing later in the same post when you ask Shakerag for role info. Why?

Because finding out what someone can do with their role is advantageous to scum, finding out if you can confirm if someone is town or not via actions isn't.

Jack A T: It's not as if it's an unreasonable concern. If someone could track him and see that he wasn't NKing or didn't visit anybody in the night or whatever, it'd be really nice to be able to do to prove what he's doing.

OSG: So do you have a post restriction or not? Because it's starting to appear you were trying to avoid contributing AT ALL, which to me looks pretty damn scummy.

Origamiscienceguy, what motivated the fake post restriction?

Blackmagechill, you didn't even wait for me to respond to your vote before switching to somebody else. Put a little conviction in.

They should own up to stealing a random vote because if they use it it's gonna be visible anyway. If they're not going to use it, then it's just taking somebody else's vote away- more likely to be useful to scum than town if targeted at a random person.
Basically (probably) only scum would have reason to be secretive about stealing votes on the first day.

autistic

Not cool, dude. Tone it down.

Cheeetar:You're at least putting in an effort, and I'm still thinking in terms of pressure votes. OSG's previous posts have contributed literally zero to the conversation, whereas you've had suspicions and questions the whole time. And are you sure it'll show up as them having two votes? Not playing is the biggest tell there is.

Shakerag: Where do I begin?

BMC:

Geez, guys.  On one hand you're all champing at the bit to kill me off or block me because I'm so dangerous, and then on the other hand you're trying to say my play is piss poor.  Can we make up our minds?

So the miller claim can do two things here. Cops can A) not inspect you and leave you to your own devices at night (which would no doubt be nice with the ridiculous shit you have cooked up) or B) they can inspect you and find out that you lied, or not believe you and waste an inspect. If you were town, you'd try and open up a path for the rest of us to clarify that you were.

But, anyway.  Rolefishing aside (as TDS noted), I am interpreting my abilities to say that, yes, I could be tracked although it is unlikely that you'd know what action I performed anyway. 

Did I ever ask about what your action was? Why would I want to know? As long as the person you visited doesn't die and flip town the next morning, I could really care less.

I liked how you pounced on OSG as a likely scapegoat for a D1 lynch.  I'm not a huge fan of D1 play, but if scum is just going to out themselves to me like that then I'll take it.

This is really funny, because me and OSG actually had the same amount of votes before you voted me, except I've actually been playing this entire time while he's been (maybe) restricted to broken english and complete inability to understand what's going on.

It seems like you don't want anybody really looking into what you're planning tonight, Shakerag. Hopefully you won't make it far enough to regret it when someone tracks you.

OSG: Did you mean the little byline thing under your role title?

I then draw a little more in the dirt.

Confused?

[Shakerag]

ToonyMan

4maskwolf

Oh...
Oh dear Shamrock
This is a tad concerning.
[...]
I know you can't really explain your predecessors actions, but this... this is too concerning for me not to vote.

Oh? Trying to start the bandwagon again?

Smells like a chainsaw vote.  Not going to bother addressing 4maskwolf's reasons for "trying to start the bandwagon again"?


Tiruin:

Shakerag: Are you ok with not dying or killing yourself?

My answer to that would be circumstantial.  And, no, I'm not telling you the circumstances.  I'll just leave it at that I am somewhat satisfied with what has transpired so far in regards to this.
Why are you asking me this question?

Also, moving for not making my reputation being 'leave post and will be back in 15 minutes'

You need to keep moving, then.


Oh, I forgot to mention it earlier, but NQT didn't appear to actually have any insight as to whether Persus13 was really in need of a good lynchin' or not.

Also there may be another medium outside of Deus, because some jerkass keeps trying to impersonate webadict in deadchat, and I don't think it's Deus.  Or if it is Deus, he really likes talking to himself.

Also, IronyOwl and Persus13 could stop lurking and start posting at any time now.

[Persus13]

Webadict: IronyOwl may need a prod.

Toonyman

4maskwolf

Oh...
Oh dear Shamrock
This is a tad concerning.
[...]
I know you can't really explain your predecessors actions, but this... this is too concerning for me not to vote.

Oh? Trying to start the bandwagon again?

Do have any criticisms of his vote other than a snide comment? Considering you were on said bandwagon and it never came to a lynch I'm not sure why you're taking this stance.

Also there may be another medium outside of Deus, because some jerkass keeps trying to impersonate webadict in deadchat, and I don't think it's Deus.  Or if it is Deus, he really likes talking to himself.

And you know its not webadict because? Did flabort mention if he knew who the mafia was? Do mafia-allies typically know who they are helping?

[Deus Asmoth]

Tiruin, could you elaborate on what you think Lenglon's restriction is?

[Shakerag]

Persus13:

And you know its not webadict because? Did flabort mention if he knew who the mafia was? Do mafia-allies typically know who they are helping?

Because, if you're familiar with quicktopic, you have a star next to your name when signed in.  One webadict has this star, the other does not. 

I don't think flabort knew who the mafia was, but Jack A T mentioned that the scumteam knew flabort was a mafia-ally.  And that it was painful to watch him try a do-nothing approach.

Typically, I do not think that <alignment>-allies know who is on <alignment> and who is not.