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[Morrigi]

Hey, people pay a lot by hour to go to the cinema. If someone wants to charge 15$ for 2hours of game, and gets people to pay for that, good for them.

This is one of the reasons I almost never go to the cinema, nor will I buy shitty 2 hour walking simulators.

[Sheb]

Well, good for you. I never really got that whole "It's bad too charge too much!". If you don't like something's price, don't buy it. We're talking about entertainment, not food or healthcare, it's not like you cannot pick from one of the other bazillion forms of entertainment available.

[Aklyon]

So, the summer sale should be an interesting case for the 'refund for a lower price' bit. What happens if you don't get the refund before the price returns to non-sales level, among other things.

[nenjin]

I wonder if they've thought about what impact this will have on Summer Sale events as well.

[BigD145]

So, the summer sale should be an interesting case for the 'refund for a lower price' bit. What happens if you don't get the refund before the price returns to non-sales level, among other things.

Most likely you get refunded at the lowest price within the past 2 years. Or 90 days. Or what you paid. 30-90 is fairly typical of non-receipt returns at stores.

[aristabulus]

So, the summer sale should be an interesting case for the 'refund for a lower price' bit. What happens if you don't get the refund before the price returns to non-sales level, among other things.

This will be a non-issue.  The refunds are based on actual transactions, which necessarily record the price at time of purchase.  Anything other than this would cause a ton of problems, on multiple levels.

The shortest turnaround I've heard so far has been about two days (during not-sale time), so there's basically no chance that someone can refund and then purchase at (time-limited) sale price with the refunded money.  Anyone who wants to play that game will need a cash buffer.

[Vilanat]

Could Rockstar found a way to go around that "annoying refund shenanigans"? what they did is that during the steam sale, you don't buy a game, you buy a pack of the game plus a consumable microtransaction card which is supposed to be pretty useless but more importantly, can not be refunded. not to mention they managed to have a 25% discount tag while applying a discount closer to 11% on the deal. (Technically legit, because you are not just buying the game which is still priced 59.99 when bought on its own, but you also buy the card which give you in-game money). Obviously they know no one will buy the standalone product when its priced higher, and it still remains to be seen what they will do when the steam sale ends.

[nenjin]

I was wondering what the Shark Card was about.

[BigD145]

Could Rockstar found a way to go around that "annoying refund shenanigans"? what they did is that during the steam sale, you don't buy a game, you buy a pack of the game plus a consumable microtransaction card which is supposed to be pretty useless but more importantly, can not be refunded. not to mention they managed to have a 25% discount tag while applying a discount closer to 11% on the deal. (Technically legit, because you are not just buying the game which is still priced 59.99 when bought on its own, but you also buy the card which give you in-game money). Obviously they know no one will buy the standalone product when its priced higher, and it still remains to be seen what they will do when the steam sale ends.

"Here, have this in-game money that costs Rockstar nothing to give you and you can only return a fraction of the game price." Sounds like every package deal ever.

[Sheb]

No, you cannot return parts of a pack if you used part of it.

[Retropunch]

Could Rockstar found a way to go around that "annoying refund shenanigans"? what they did is that during the steam sale, you don't buy a game, you buy a pack of the game plus a consumable microtransaction card which is supposed to be pretty useless but more importantly, can not be refunded. not to mention they managed to have a 25% discount tag while applying a discount closer to 11% on the deal. (Technically legit, because you are not just buying the game which is still priced 59.99 when bought on its own, but you also buy the card which give you in-game money). Obviously they know no one will buy the standalone product when its priced higher, and it still remains to be seen what they will do when the steam sale ends.

Urgh...very disappointing. Companies should really, really not be trying to get around refunds - it's a basic consumer right which every other business in the world understands. I've lost respect for Rockstar, as I'd feel they'd be a company on board with this sort of basic stuff (especially as they're games are really not going to fall victim to a 'rental cycle'). I really hope steam enforces refunds anyway, as otherwise we'll just end up with every single purchase having a token non-refundable part so that games can't be refunded.

I get that they feel that it'll cut into their bottom line, but I strongly believe it'll have the reverse effect, with gamers a lot more forgiving with companies that mess up and none of the massive rages we've seen in the past over awful releases. It's literally a new age of gaming, with none of the massive storms we've had before, and with devs being forced to be accountable rather than just cutting and running with the cash.

[nenjin]

I'm a little disappointed in Steam that they're letting companies game their own refund system. What are they going to do? Not sell on Steam? More Man In The Middle Shenanigans.

[Scripten]

Do we actually have any evidence that this is what's going on? I mean, I know people don't usually get upset about hearsay on the internet and all, but...

[Vilanat]

We will never have evidence for the intentions behind bundling the game with the card.

[penguinofhonor]

So if baseless speculation is all we have, we might as well treat it like fact.