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[Glloyd]

Eh, that's just how I like to think of the world.

[Rolan7]

Maybe the massive amounts of banditry and deadly wildlife have disrupted the reconstruction as well.  Maybe background radiation made most people violent, stupid, or complacent (or just nuts like the superhero/villain in FO3, or the various mad scientists).
But yeah, it's not hard sci-fi.  It doesn't have to be realistic.

[Mech#4]

I do tend to wonder where all the corrugated iron comes from. There's more than some of the farms here in Australia.

[MasterFancyPants]

No one is asking for super realism, just stop stretching suspension of disbelief to the breaking point. It's bad when I am immersed in the game, then see/hear something and think: "Yeah, that's dumb."

[BFEL]

in fallout new vegas you are a tribal vault-hunting cyborg mailperson who set off a bunch of nukes (twice), helped a bunch of ungrateful fucks take over the hoover dam for muh power, got shot in the head and lived with probably no repercussions whatsoever, and is gay for their own brain

TO THE SIG VAULT!

[Neonivek]

Someone put it quite well earlier: treating Fallout as a realistic survival RPG is a mistake. It's not, never has been. It's an RPG set in what a stereotyped 1950s thought that a post-apocalyptic world would be like. Complaining about it being illogical and overblown is like leveling the same complaints at Mad Max or like the people who whine about difficulty and low carry weight in STALKER games, it's rather missing the point. There's a lot that Bethesda mucks up, but this is one point where I think they've hit it spot on.

The thing is... Wasteland is even WORSE off then Fallout 4 by far. Mad Max actually justifies its setting by not only making it almost unlivable but also by continuously moving the setting with the implication that yes people sometimes did recover once Max himself left.

Fallout 4 the issue isn't realism the issue is flat out world building. The world is flat and lifeless.

Wasteland 2 shames Fallout 4 not because "Ohh it is so much more realistic" but because it actually bothered to do some world building. In the first few minutes of the game, not even at the hour mark, I was more invested in the world of Wasteland then the entirety of Fallout 4.

Yet even IF we accept Fallout 4 is just copying the idea of post apoc... The setting is still advancing, we see people farming and yet there isn't much on that (nor any explanation for how their dirt farming is so effective...). Honestly Fallout 4 is a new game about settling the wasteland... why not work with it?

[Girlinhat]

To me, Bethesda games were always much better at making interesting locations than interesting worlds.  A farm run entirely by robots, or that one blind raider who has a book.  Interesting bits.  But the world as a whole is somewhat lacking.  It doesn't pay to look at the big picture, it's only the small parts that matter.

[Krevsin]

Having a new, evolving civilization 200 years after the war isn't so much a "MUH REALISM" thing as much as it is common bloody sense.

At least FO4 explains why it never happened inthe Commonwealth. The CPG was an attempt but it collapsed due to

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Institute or political infighting, depending on whether you trust Nick or Father more.

and nobody's tried again since until you come along. This is why Fallout 4 is more about rebuilding than FO3 (which is about waging war for a resource nobody in the gameworld really struggles to get apart from like 3 guys) and FNV (which is more about living in the rebuilt postnuke society and changing it).

[BFEL]

The CPG was an attempt but it collapsed due to

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Institute or political infighting, depending on whether you trust Nick or Father more.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So because of The Institute?
I mean fuck, even IF you somehow hold all the beliefs of the Tute' you still know that "Father" is a manipulative little shit who can't say "nice day" without lying twice. And if one of those IS true he will use !SCIENCE! to make it NOT true, just because he is that dedicated to lying.

Also WOOT new title.

[Krevsin]

The CPG was an attempt but it collapsed due to

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The Institute or political infighting, depending on whether you trust Nick or Father more.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So because of The Institute?
I mean fuck, even IF you somehow hold all the beliefs of the Tute' you still know that "Father" is a manipulative little shit who can't say "nice day" without lying twice. And if one of those IS true he will use !SCIENCE! to make it NOT true, just because he is that dedicated to lying.

Also WOOT new title.

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Pretty much. I mean "BECAUSE THE INSTITUTE" is a go-to phrase for filling in plotholes in FO4. 

Though according to the wiki, there's holotapes from before father came along who confirm the "they infought to death" theory.

[werty892]

This vid is about fallout three, but I feel it applies well to four as well, as it seems Bethesda has failed to learn from it.

[Telgin]

Well, I finally finished Fallout 4.  The ending was... very unsatisfying.  The more I played the game the more I realized I just didn't like it as much as I wanted to like it.

It's probably all been said 200 pages ago, but:

Spoiler: Ending Spoilers (click to show/hide)

There was no ending to choose from that didn't make me feel like a complete jerk.  To say that your character is very strongly shoved into the good guy role, that's kind of jarring.

I wanted to do the Minutemen ending since all of the others felt just terrible.  Siding with the Institute meant siding with a bunch of murderous crazies who enslaved robot people.  Siding with the Railroad meant blowing all of them up, in favor of a few robot people.  Siding with the Brotherhood of Steel meant the same thing, and apparently blowing up the Railroad too because why not?

I'd hoped that the Minutemen ending would end up being some kind of true neutral, but no.  It's just a rehashed Railroad ending.  I found that out after using console commands to make myself an enemy of the Institute without murdering anyone in it, just so that the option was even given to me.

And... you had to blow them all up.

I found that particularly amusing though, since before you go in Preston tells you to issue an evacuation order so that the civilians will survive.  Guess what happened when we entered a lab with unarmed scientists screaming for help?  He starts blowing them away!  "That'll teach you to mess with the Minutemen!"  I tried to stop Codsworth, but it was to no avail.

To make matters worse though, after I blew up the institute, Preston gave me a question to blow up the Brotherhood of Steel.  You know, those people who haven't bothered us Minutemen at all?  The ones that just got mad at me for teleporting on top of the fusion reactor thing?  Yeah, gotta blow them up.  I got no satisfaction out of all of the Brother of Steel corpses and Vertibirds lying in the Castle.  Worse yet, apparently I didn't even need to do that since I didn't get any more ending cinematics afterward.  I'm not sure the game even knows I beat it.

I know the Brotherhood have a major jerk for a commander.  I know that the Railroad is arguably endangering way too many people's lives over the synths.  Boy do I know that the Institute is murdering people left and right for some unexplained reason.

But... can I just kill the bad people and leave the regular people alone?

I legitimately felt like just quitting after I got to level 45 or so and say that that was my ending.  Screw all of the rampant murder.

I really wanted to like this game, but at this point I'm seriously just hoping for an improved New Vegas-esque follow up to it.

[Glloyd]

Well, I know back in 2014 or so Obsidian said they were interested in doing New Vegas 2 or doing another Fallout in the west, and that they had discussed it with Bethesda, but I dunno what ever came of that.

[Telgin]

We probably won't find out for a while.

In any case, when I say I want New Vegas running on Fallout 4, more precisely I'm just hoping for an iteration that improves on some of the glaring issues (conversation system, for example) and with a new and hopefully better story.  The location doesn't matter so much.

Preaching to the choir though, I know.

[Egan_BW]

Bethesda make the engine and a tech demo. Obsidian make the game.