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Author Topic: Fallout 4: It Just Works  (Read 840588 times)

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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3900 on: November 21, 2015, 09:06:18 am »

Yeah, maybe they should try to do something about the whole "navigate through menus" abstraction before going for that kind of "realism".
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3901 on: November 21, 2015, 09:15:15 am »

They sorta did, I do love looting containers without pausing.

Lockpicking without pausing was really cool in the original Thief games.  You actually had to wait until guards were away before picking, because it took a while and made noise.  The minigame itself was cool for the time, but I actually like Bethesda's current one more.  (Hated Oblivion's, maybe just because I was bad at it). 

But another thing was that picking progress was saved, which didn't even make sense in Thief since you pull your tools out.  In FO4 it would just mean *not* resetting the sweet-spot location every time you exit, which would be easy.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3902 on: November 21, 2015, 09:17:17 am »

If I ever end up making my own dream game many years into the future it would be some sort of horrible amalmagation of ratchet and clank and thief and maybe zineth.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3903 on: November 21, 2015, 10:01:39 am »

Bethesda object placement tends to tell better stories than the main player story. The houses have their own stories.  Bathtub has a skeleton in it, which also happens to have a toaster and fork in with them. There's a teddy bear party set up by supermutants. Man and woman skeletons in wheelchairs sit next to a small lake, watching the sunrise. All the map locations have fairly tidy stories to them.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3904 on: November 21, 2015, 11:29:08 am »

 And then you get random floating cans of water.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3905 on: November 21, 2015, 11:50:53 am »

Or nuclear skeletons which spaz with the noise of a thousand suns, particularly on re-entering areas.
You'd think hopping on a skeleton until it stops generating free energy would break immersion a little, but I've played enough Bethesda games that it fits neatly into gameplay/story segregation for me.

Also that screenshot someone shared where some silo entrance is mostly clipped into a hillside and couldn't possibly be opened...

But yeah, the intentionally placed objects often do tell interesting stories, and well.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3906 on: November 21, 2015, 01:05:55 pm »

Regarding the ending, along with the posts above, I almost feel like this is a Mass Effect 3 situation in which the developers should provide the ""Extended Cut"" (read: decent ending) providing enough context and explanation on 'what the hell just happened'.
It felt rushed. Even though the quests leading up to the ending felt way more cohesive than FO3 and maybe FO:NV, it fell too much off of what one would expect from a Fallout ending.

I can ignore the fact that you are forced into stuff and have no control over it - even though you can gather and build up the whole Commonwealth - but this felt like a generic ending.

Then again, I might be just mad because they didn't provide a longer ending sequence. It's also extremely sad/bad/weird/disappointing (pick one) that:
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Oh well, guess I'm gonna have to carry that weight.

E: Also, forgot to mention:
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3907 on: November 21, 2015, 01:40:08 pm »

So I finally got around to going up to the Fascist Blimp... at level 41, with rank 4 Gunsmith, Science!, and Armorer.

Cue "You don't look much like a soldier to me."

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So yeah. Bethesda. Not so good with context-sensitive dialogue.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3908 on: November 21, 2015, 01:49:38 pm »

Yep. Nothing tells you must be a weakling like a full modded X-01 with heavy guns.  :P
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3909 on: November 21, 2015, 01:51:28 pm »

I was slow picking who to side with so the game ended up forcing my hand.  :-\

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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3910 on: November 21, 2015, 01:56:20 pm »

Knowing that Elder Maxson is not an essential NPC... it fills you with determination.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3911 on: November 21, 2015, 01:58:10 pm »

Bethesda object placement tends to tell better stories than the main player story. The houses have their own stories.  Bathtub has a skeleton in it, which also happens to have a toaster and fork in with them. There's a teddy bear party set up by supermutants. Man and woman skeletons in wheelchairs sit next to a small lake, watching the sunrise. All the map locations have fairly tidy stories to them.

Have you found the

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Also, the terminal about the baseball team that hadn't won in over 150 years made me laugh.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3912 on: November 21, 2015, 02:22:13 pm »

I won't give specifics but there is a place where you can look at emails between various terminals and scientists were playing some form of D&D type game while working. Amusing.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3913 on: November 21, 2015, 02:31:01 pm »

Knowing that Elder Maxson is not an essential NPC... it fills you with determination.

Really!? Damn. Then killing him stealthly or with Sandman perk should really allow us to remove him without going to war with the Brotherhood. That'd be nice.
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Re: Fallout 4: Basically WH40K
« Reply #3914 on: November 21, 2015, 02:47:05 pm »

Bethesda object placement tends to tell better stories than the main player story. The houses have their own stories.  Bathtub has a skeleton in it, which also happens to have a toaster and fork in with them. There's a teddy bear party set up by supermutants. Man and woman skeletons in wheelchairs sit next to a small lake, watching the sunrise. All the map locations have fairly tidy stories to them.

Have you found the

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Also, the terminal about the baseball team that hadn't won in over 150 years made me laugh.

Yeah, that one is okay.
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