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[Vendayn]

I just realized. For all those who play a female character in Skyrim (cause judging by nexus, that is pretty much most skyrim players lol, including me lol), and choose so in Fallout 4...

NPCs are going to say your female name you choose and that will be rather weird rofl.

[Rolan7]

I feel like you're making some assumptions   Or I am.

That's a welcome feature for me, since I enjoy roleplay but often forget my character is more than an avatar.  If I don't check 3rd person occasionally I tend to forget their gender.  One playthrough I actually sketched out a constant journal, which really helped for staying in character.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

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He's a scumbag bandit leader. The fact that he has a family and delusions of grandeur doesn't change that.

He's an ex-BOS white-knight (FO3 after all) and his good intentions sound genuine.
It sucks that our options are so limited, because as-is we have to condemn him, his family, & the city he's trying to build in order to improve the slaves' lot in life immediately.
There is plenty of reason to do so, but an intervention by the lone wanderer in favor of the slaves at that point in time just seems like..a premature end.

[NullForceOmega]

From my standpoint the slaves were in more trouble without Ashur than with him.  His logic is solid and his plans can actually solve some of the Pitt's problems, Werner on the other hand lies and manipulates the Lone Wanderer at every turn, and has no long-term plan that I ever heard.  So to me Ashur is ultimately the better choice for the Pitt and the slaves.

[Teneb]

From my standpoint the slaves were in more trouble without Ashur than with him.  His logic is solid and his plans can actually solve some of the Pitt's problems, Werner on the other hand lies and manipulates the Lone Wanderer at every turn, and has no long-term plan that I ever heard.  So to me Ashur is ultimately the better choice for the Pitt and the slaves.

And if you side with the slaves...

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The lights go off, causing the city to be swarmed by Troggs, who then kill everyone. Great job, Lone Wanderer!

[GrizzlyAdamz]

But you can't count on Ashur surviving, and without him the slaves are stuck in their world of shit forever.
When you speak with him in his office, it's clear he isn't on the same page with his underlings.
They might decide to get rid of him, and you aren't given the option come back & check, (or pressure him for reforms).

It's either 'leave everything on Ashur's back like you found it' or 'kill Ashur, all of the raiders, and steal his baby from her mother's arms'.


Really? I thought the lights only go off in the upper half of the city, where the raiders live(d).

[NullForceOmega]

Actually, the only one of Ashur's subordinates that I remember having any disagreements with him was Werner (it's been a couple years tho' so I may be forgetting something.)  From what I recall Werner isn't so much about helping the slaves as he is getting rid of Ashur, and he had to come all the way to the Capital Wastes to find someone who could stand up to Ashur.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Here's what I'm talking about. That and wishful thinking that Ashur doesn't know unarmed slaves are being sent out for iron.

Alternatively, he could be saying that just for your ears. But that wasn't my impression back when I first played it, and it would be shitty leadership to call out his subordinate like that infront of the newbie.


Also,
'Wer-ner'
It makes my ears bleed. It's Vernher. VERNHER!
AAAAGGHHH

[NullForceOmega]

Sounds like a pretty standard conversation between a military leader and a subordinate to me.  Didn't seem like there was any actual form of disagreement there, just a correction, up to interpretation I suppose, but Ashur felt much more capable and level-headed than Wernher to me.

[Bohandas]

The man had a messiah complex

[Darkmere]

Hah, yeah go ahead and side with the Werhner the waster who was an actual bandit and has no scientific knowledge whatever. See how far he and his wench get cutting a baby apart on their own. That kid's dead in a week and any hope for treatments along with it. Probably along with the whole mill, too. The people who were actually equipped to fight troggs are now dead.. with their gear under a swarm of troggs. Oh, and the slaves never actually get freed. Werhner doesn't even talk to them. I was always 100% certain he just wanted Ashur gone to take over himself and bail when things got bad.

[Krevsin]

The man had a messiah complex

Fallout as a series is no stranger to the Pitt's sort of morality.

Like that infamous original version of the Fallout 1 questline in Junktown, where by helping the local law enforcement, you actually turned the town into a city of ghosts where the sheriff ruled with an iron fist, while siding with the crime sindicate turned the place into a well-managed boomtown.

Only that was changed because mixed messages or something.

[Bohandas]

Hah, yeah go ahead and side with the Werhner the waster who was an actual bandit and has no scientific knowledge whatever. See how far he and his wench get cutting a baby apart on their own. That kid's dead in a week and any hope for treatments along with it. Probably along with the whole mill, too. The people who were actually equipped to fight troggs are now dead.. with their gear under a swarm of troggs. Oh, and the slaves never actually get freed. Werhner doesn't even talk to them. I was always 100% certain he just wanted Ashur gone to take over himself and bail when things got bad.

Well the obvious solution there is to eliminate Werhner as well

[Flying Dice]

Heck, just do a Protagonist Special and kill everyone.

[SOLDIER First]

Telltale Games RPG: Disappoint everyone
Bioware RPG: Romance everyone
Bethesda RPG: Murder everyone