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[Urist McScoopbeard]

I actually enjoy the idea of a more serious fallout, less cartoony 50s fallout.

[Guardian G.I.]

Spoiler: Apparently a mural from Fallout 4's Museum of Freedom in Concord. US Space Marines confirmed (click to show/hide)

[forsaken1111]

I actually enjoy the idea of a more serious fallout, less cartoony 50s fallout.

I'd be okay with a more serious/gritty themed fallout but the 50's camp is kind of part of the setting at this point.

[Teneb]

They could go with a pretty radically different atmosphere if they set a game in Europe, since we've seen basically no communication between the two continents for a long time.

I think the reason that they stick to the US is because the all studios that made Fallout are from there. In fact, the games tend to cover areas where the studio in question is located, or in the general vicinity.

[forsaken1111]

probably cheaper to go get reference shots and find locations in areas near the studio.

[scriver]

I actually enjoy the idea of a more serious fallout, less cartoony 50s fallout.

Yes, I too enjoy post-apocalyptic sci-fi that is not Fallout. But not in my Fallout

[Krevsin]

I actually enjoy the idea of a more serious fallout, less cartoony 50s fallout.

If you make fallout more gritty and serious and remove the wacky 50s aesthetic you get Wasteland 2 which is a game with absolutely no visual personality of its own.

And of course the usual caveat of "wacky aesthetic =/= incapable of serious" applies. Just because something has a wacky aesthetic does not mean you can't use it to create a serious, gritty atmosphere.

They could go with a pretty radically different atmosphere if they set a game in Europe, since we've seen basically no communication between the two continents for a long time.

I think the reason that they stick to the US is because the all studios that made Fallout are from there. In fact, the games tend to cover areas where the studio in question is located, or in the general vicinity.

I think it's definitely more the aesthetic. US popular culture and society in general had a very distinct image in the 50s, unlike the rest of the world.

[Flying Dice]

That said, if you were looking for a part of Yurop that wouldn't have been absolutely carpeted directly by nukes, Scotland would do. The nuclear submarine bases would have been hit, but I doubt those existed, given the state of Fallout Yurop. Hell, it'd basically be New Vegas with heather and mountains instead of dust and orange light filters.

[UXLZ]

I'd like to see a Fallout game that *doesn't* feature a shitty brown and orange (or green dirt) wasteland. I'd like to see something like Kashykk, or the first area of Witcher 2. Green and vibrant, full of plant-life, but really fucking dangerous.

[forsaken1111]

but foliage is really fucking expensive graphically speaking, while wasteland is cheap. Detailed urban areas are also expensive.

Why do you think fallout is filled with tiny 'cities' and loading screens? (Aside from console-itis I mean)

[Bohandas]

I'd like to see a Fallout game that *doesn't* feature a shitty brown and orange (or green dirt) wasteland. I'd like to see something like Kashykk, or the first area of Witcher 2. Green and vibrant, full of plant-life, but really fucking dangerous.

There were a couple of areas like that in FNV (the one vault with the plant experiments and the area in Big MT with the similar experiments)

[UXLZ]

but foliage is really fucking expensive graphically speaking, while wasteland is cheap. Detailed urban areas are also expensive.

Why do you think fallout is filled with tiny 'cities' and loading screens? (Aside from console-itis I mean)

Witcher 3 managed it (an actual proper city, consisting of more than 16 buildings I mean.) I maintain that it's just because Beth are shitty devs. That or whatever engine they use is good for mods but bad for games.

Yeah, I think it's just the engine.

True though, I'll admit that what I want probably is more suited to an original IP than a Fallout game.

[notquitethere]

If you make fallout more gritty and serious and remove the wacky 50s aesthetic you get Wasteland 2 which is a game with absolutely no visual personality of its own.

Wasteland has loads of zany elements, it just doesn't have much of a strong aesthetic beyond 'Post-Apocalyptic Desert Rangers'. One Mad Max-ish Wasteland America is much like another.

I'd definitely be interested in a more verdant post-apocalyptic environment. Endless forest with the hulking ruins of skyscapers peeking out.

Oh, and here's a Fallout History Lesson for those who are interested.

[Krevsin]

If you make fallout more gritty and serious and remove the wacky 50s aesthetic you get Wasteland 2 which is a game with absolutely no visual personality of its own.

Wasteland has loads of zany elements, it just doesn't have much of a strong aesthetic beyond 'Post-Apocalyptic Desert Rangers'. One Mad Max-ish Wasteland America is much like another.

Yes, but a lot of them aren't really present until about a dozen hours in. And even then most of those zany elements are conveyed to you through text rather than the game's own environment.

It doesn't start getting visually interesting until the second half of the game IMO.

[scriver]

but foliage is really fucking expensive graphically speaking, while wasteland is cheap. Detailed urban areas are also expensive.

Why do you think fallout is filled with tiny 'cities' and loading screens? (Aside from console-itis I mean)

Witcher 3 managed it (an actual proper city, consisting of more than 16 buildings I mean.) I maintain that it's just because Beth are shitty devs. That or whatever engine they use is good for mods but bad for games.

Yeah, I think it's just the engine.

It's the engine, but it has nothing to do with it being good for mods, it's just that NPCs (and creatures) take up loads and loads of memory. That they keep trying to make every single unimportant NPC more detailed is just exasperating the problem.

Wasteland has loads of zany elements, it just doesn't have much of a strong aesthetic beyond 'Post-Apocalyptic Desert Rangers'. One Mad Max-ish Wasteland America is much like another.

I didn't want to say anything as I haven't played Wasteland 2 and don't really know how it is, but the original Wasteland was much, much wackier than any of the Fallouts. So if the sequel was anything like it's inspiration... Yeah.

I'd definitely be interested in a more verdant post-apocalyptic environment. Endless forest with the hulking ruins of skyscapers peeking out.

Me too. One of the coolest thing about the STALKER games is the "reclaimed nature" look of some of the environments. One hundred years and the environment would look great.