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[ZebioLizard2]

*ahem*

Ghouls that have "Turned Feral" existed in the series for a while.

Since F3.

I don't particularly kind the addition though. Only problem with them is how there's so many of them left after 200 years, or how there was enough ghouls to go feral in the first place. But that's the same logistics problem that every bethout enemy brings up (raiders etc) and has nothing to do with feral ghouls in itself.

There were in F1 as well. They were known as "Mindless Ghouls" and "Mad Glowing ones". They were located in the vault under Necropolis, though Mindless ghouls didn't really gain claws or nothing. They were more akin to shambling hordes of zombies. F2 Had the Ghoul Crazy and Glow Crazy, so there is a precedence for insane ghouls through the series.

[GiglameshDespair]

*ahem*

Ghouls that have "Turned Feral" existed in the series for a while.

Since F3.

I don't particularly kind the addition though. Only problem with them is how there's so many of them left after 200 years, or how there was enough ghouls to go feral in the first place. But that's the same logistics problem that every bethout enemy brings up (raiders etc) and has nothing to do with feral ghouls in itself.

No...?

They weren't called feral ghouls, but mindless ghouls existed in FO1 and ghoul crazies existed in FO2, both of which were ghousl with degraded minds that shambled forward and attacked on sight.
Feral ghouls, bro.

EDIT: i got ninja'd

[Neonivek]

Bonus points for the Lore actually saying that not ONLY saying that many ghouls slowly become ferals over time.

But it says that they are unsure but it is possible that "all ghouls" will become Ferals eventually.

Thanks Fallout 2.

Though that is quite dark...

Also as for Ghouls being "Unfairly prejudiced" I don't think it is because Feral Ghouls... their overabundance is really just Fallout 4's doing.

It is more because they look like walking zombies and speak in creepy raspy voices... They would creep anyone out.

[GiglameshDespair]

They are creepy looking mutants, and generally mutants in the wasteland are bad news if you're looking to survive.

[scriver]

*ahem*

Ghouls that have "Turned Feral" existed in the series for a while.

Since F3.

I don't particularly kind the addition though. Only problem with them is how there's so many of them left after 200 years, or how there was enough ghouls to go feral in the first place. But that's the same logistics problem that every bethout enemy brings up (raiders etc) and has nothing to do with feral ghouls in itself.

No...?

They weren't called feral ghouls, but mindless ghouls existed in FO1 and ghoul crazies existed in FO2, both of which were ghousl with degraded minds that shambled forward and attacked on sight.
Feral ghouls, bro.

EDIT: i got ninja'd

No, those aren't the same. The "zombie" ghouls in F1 are outright stated to be under orders from Set (the leader of Necropolis) to act like zombies whenever people are nearby to scare people away (you know, the reason they call it Necropolis, the city of the dead). I can't remember any ghouls that attacked on sight in F2 unless you went into the cult's sanctum uninvited, but the cult ghouls weren't mindless either.

Bethesda's feral "their minds have degraded from too much radiation" ghouls are something completely different.

[Sirian]

*ahem*

Ghouls that have "Turned Feral" existed in the series for a while.

Since F3.

I don't particularly kind the addition though. Only problem with them is how there's so many of them left after 200 years, or how there was enough ghouls to go feral in the first place. But that's the same logistics problem that every bethout enemy brings up (raiders etc) and has nothing to do with feral ghouls in itself.

No...?

They weren't called feral ghouls, but mindless ghouls existed in FO1 and ghoul crazies existed in FO2, both of which were ghousl with degraded minds that shambled forward and attacked on sight.
Feral ghouls, bro.

EDIT: i got ninja'd

No, those aren't the same. The "zombie" ghouls in F1 are outright stated to be under orders from Set (the leader of Necropolis) to act like zombies whenever people are nearby to scare people away (you know, the reason they call it Necropolis, the city of the dead). I can't remember any ghouls that attacked on sight in F2 unless you went into the cult's sanctum uninvited, but the cult ghouls weren't mindless either.

Bethesda's feral "their minds have degraded from too much radiation" ghouls are something completely different.

Well if you follow the link for "ghoul crazies", you can see evidence that they were in F2, even if you don't remember them.

[Flying Dice]

If this was a new franchise, it would be fantastic. It's a miserable Fallout game but a very good "spiritual successor to fallout."

It's a miserable Fallout game and a miserable spiritual sequel.

Wasteland 2 was a pretty good spiritual sequel though

You mean the Wasteland 2 with a bunch of broken quests, broken controls, worse visual clarity than FO1, no connection between your characters' sheets and their presence in the game, extremely limited roleplaying (linked to the former point), terrible AI, repetitive environments, forced backtracking, game-breaking bugs and crashes, thoroughly shallow combat, obnoxious and repetitive ambient sounds, et-fuckin'-cetera.

I see this weird-ass dichotomy come up more than it has any right to, where people lambast the 3D Fallouts out one side of their mouth for being shallow, buggy shoot'n'loot cRPGs with no roleplaying and then praise Wasteland 2 as the second coming of FO as if it wasn't worse in every single respect.

I've heard two descriptions of Wasteland 2 which I think suit it the best: It's like playing XCOM:EU on Normal with the fun replaced with bugs. It's like Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics had a lovechild which was repeatedly dropped down flights of stairs, landing on every one with its head.

I would rather spend $60 to re-buy Fallout 1 and not play any games than spend 5$ to buy Wasteland 2 and have to play it.

[scriver]

Well if you follow the link for "ghoul crazies", you can see evidence that they were in F2, even if you don't remember them.

It features mainly information transcribed from the "Feral ghoul" article as well as texts that preclude them being the same as ferals. It also has a dialogue transcription, though, which portrays them as not being mindless in the same way feral ghouls are.

It's a miserable Fallout game and a miserable spiritual sequel.

Wasteland 2 was a pretty good spiritual sequel though

You mean the Wasteland 2 with a bunch of broken quests, broken controls, worse visual clarity than FO1, no connection between your characters' sheets and their presence in the game, extremely limited roleplaying (linked to the former point), terrible AI, repetitive environments, forced backtracking, game-breaking bugs and crashes, thoroughly shallow combat, obnoxious and repetitive ambient sounds, et-fuckin'-cetera.

I see this weird-ass dichotomy come up more than it has any right to, where people lambast the 3D Fallouts out one side of their mouth for being shallow, buggy shoot'n'loot cRPGs with no roleplaying and then praise Wasteland 2 as the second coming of FO as if it wasn't worse in every single respect.

I've heard two descriptions of Wasteland 2 which I think suit it the best: It's like playing XCOM:EU on Normal with the fun replaced with bugs. It's like Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics had a lovechild which was repeatedly dropped down flights of stairs, landing on every one with its head.

I would rather spend $60 to re-buy Fallout 1 and not play any games than spend 5$ to buy Wasteland 2 and have to play it.

Wow, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. It was a joke on the fact that the original Fallout was a spiritual sequel of the original Wasteland.

[Flying Dice]

It's a miserable Fallout game and a miserable spiritual sequel.

Wasteland 2 was a pretty good spiritual sequel though

You mean the Wasteland 2 with a bunch of broken quests, broken controls, worse visual clarity than FO1, no connection between your characters' sheets and their presence in the game, extremely limited roleplaying (linked to the former point), terrible AI, repetitive environments, forced backtracking, game-breaking bugs and crashes, thoroughly shallow combat, obnoxious and repetitive ambient sounds, et-fuckin'-cetera.

I see this weird-ass dichotomy come up more than it has any right to, where people lambast the 3D Fallouts out one side of their mouth for being shallow, buggy shoot'n'loot cRPGs with no roleplaying and then praise Wasteland 2 as the second coming of FO as if it wasn't worse in every single respect.

I've heard two descriptions of Wasteland 2 which I think suit it the best: It's like playing XCOM:EU on Normal with the fun replaced with bugs. It's like Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics had a lovechild which was repeatedly dropped down flights of stairs, landing on every one with its head.

I would rather spend $60 to re-buy Fallout 1 and not play any games than spend 5$ to buy Wasteland 2 and have to play it.

Wow, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. It was a joke on the fact that the original Fallout was a spiritual sequel of the original Wasteland.

I'll plead Poe's Law. Too many people genuinely praise that shitty mess as the One True Continuation of the Fallout franchise for me to tell the difference, even with the smiley.

[GiglameshDespair]

*ahem*

Ghouls that have "Turned Feral" existed in the series for a while.

Since F3.

I don't particularly kind the addition though. Only problem with them is how there's so many of them left after 200 years, or how there was enough ghouls to go feral in the first place. But that's the same logistics problem that every bethout enemy brings up (raiders etc) and has nothing to do with feral ghouls in itself.

No...?

They weren't called feral ghouls, but mindless ghouls existed in FO1 and ghoul crazies existed in FO2, both of which were ghousl with degraded minds that shambled forward and attacked on sight.
Feral ghouls, bro.

EDIT: i got ninja'd

No, those aren't the same. The "zombie" ghouls in F1 are outright stated to be under orders from Set (the leader of Necropolis) to act like zombies whenever people are nearby to scare people away (you know, the reason they call it Necropolis, the city of the dead). I can't remember any ghouls that attacked on sight in F2 unless you went into the cult's sanctum uninvited, but the cult ghouls weren't mindless either.

Bethesda's feral "their minds have degraded from too much radiation" ghouls are something completely different.

You can encounter mindless ghouls and ghould crazies in random encounters. It must be some dedication to keep pretending when you get gunned down en masse...
In other words, sure, while some pretend, I doubt those are all fake.

They were also going to be in Van Buren, as well, called Endless Walkers, so it's not even unique from Fallout 3.

Ghouls losing their minds is not a new thing, and whatever the cause, the net result is a feral ghoul. Anything more is quibbling over semantics.

[scriver]

If you make broad enough generalisations every difference becomes semantics. I think there's a pretty obvious difference in design between the two but if that's how you want to see it then we have to agree to disagree.

[BFEL]

If you make broad enough generalisations every difference becomes semantics. I think there's a pretty obvious difference in design between the two but if that's how you want to see it then we have to agree to disagree.

AGREEMENT AND DISAGREEMENT ARE JUST SEMANTICS ANYWAY, so you're on the same page already!

[Yoink]

Oh man, I just... well uh... I very nearly reloaded my game, but the situation was too hilarious.

Spoiler: Vadim's first job (click to show/hide)

I guess maybe having a ridiculously high unarmed skill was a bad idea in this quest.
Or maybe powerattacking was where I went wrong. Or perhaps it was the third-person camera angle, which I chose for maximum cinematics and possibly led to me punching the wrong person before the right one. Whatever the case, within seconds my beefy brawler of a character has his arms wrapped around one of the fall guys' necks and, with a sickening crack, things went pretty badly wrong.

Had to finish off the other fella, too, also with a dramatic unarmed fatality in the middle of the bar.
Vadim's dialogue as he berated me for the whole farce was quite amusing indeed.
Definitely keeping this result. Far too funny not to.

 

[Tellemurius]

Oh man, I just... well uh... I very nearly reloaded my game, but the situation was too hilarious.

Spoiler: Vadim's first job (click to show/hide)

I guess maybe having a ridiculously high unarmed skill was a bad idea in this quest.
Or maybe powerattacking was where I went wrong. Or perhaps it was the third-person camera angle, which I chose for maximum cinematics and possibly led to me punching the wrong person before the right one. Whatever the case, within seconds my beefy brawler of a character has his arms wrapped around one of the fall guys' necks and, with a sickening crack, things went pretty badly wrong.

Had to finish off the other fella, too, also with a dramatic unarmed fatality in the middle of the bar.
Vadim's dialogue as he berated me for the whole farce was quite amusing indeed.
Definitely keeping this result. Far too funny not to.

 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I wonder what the consequence is for that, the second quest after not killing them they will kidnap Vadim and you kill them anyways. Does Travis sound traumatized on the radio or like a murderer now?

[Digital Hellhound]

Oh man, I just... well uh... I very nearly reloaded my game, but the situation was too hilarious.

Spoiler: Vadim's first job (click to show/hide)

I guess maybe having a ridiculously high unarmed skill was a bad idea in this quest.
Or maybe powerattacking was where I went wrong. Or perhaps it was the third-person camera angle, which I chose for maximum cinematics and possibly led to me punching the wrong person before the right one. Whatever the case, within seconds my beefy brawler of a character has his arms wrapped around one of the fall guys' necks and, with a sickening crack, things went pretty badly wrong.

Had to finish off the other fella, too, also with a dramatic unarmed fatality in the middle of the bar.
Vadim's dialogue as he berated me for the whole farce was quite amusing indeed.
Definitely keeping this result. Far too funny not to.

 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I wonder what the consequence is for that, the second quest after not killing them they will kidnap Vadim and you kill them anyways. Does Travis sound traumatized on the radio or like a murderer now?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I didn't think you could actually kill them. As for me, I'd barely landed a single punch when Cait, who'd been happily sitting at one of the tables while we talked with the tough guys, jumped up and started shooting at them with her shotgun. Honestly, I can see this as being totally IC for her - she was probably on Psycho and couldn't control her aggression when the fight broke out.